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Ok, I'm date stamping myself but here goes. Anyone remember the Oldsmobile Jetfire from the early '60's that was a turbocharged V-8 with a water/alcohol tank that owners didn't understand and would run dry? To be fair, the whole package was not really well thought out.
My favorite "fun" fuel was nitro-methane. In a Top Fuel engine, get the mixture wrong and the engine would, as NASA said of an unhappy rocket engine, suffer a " catastrophic disassembly ".
Ok, I'm date stamping myself but here goes. Anyone remember the Oldsmobile Jetfire from the early '60's that was a turbocharged V-8 with a water/alcohol tank that owners didn't understand and would run dry? To be fair, the whole package was not really well thought out.
My favorite "fun" fuel was nitro-methane. In a Top Fuel engine, get the mixture wrong and the engine would, as NASA said of an unhappy rocket engine, suffer a " catastrophic disassembly ".
Ok, I'm date stamping myself but here goes. Anyone remember the Oldsmobile Jetfire from the early '60's that was a turbocharged V-8 with a water/alcohol tank that owners didn't understand and would run dry? To be fair, the whole package was not really well thought out.
My favorite "fun" fuel was nitro-methane. In a Top Fuel engine, get the mixture wrong and the engine would, as NASA said of an unhappy rocket engine, suffer a " catastrophic disassembly ".
I used to work on Fokker F-27s powered by RR Dart engines. These planes were borderline underpowered, especially in hill country with short runways and steep climb gradients. Without water-meth, departures could be pretty hairy. The increase in mass flow without a rise in EGT gave up to 20% increase in ESHP. Judging by the quantities of W/M we pumped into those planes, the crews apparently thought most of their takeoffs were "hairy". A lot of the time, takeoffs were payload limited, and W/M would save two or three revenue pax from being DBd.Increasing the mass flow through a gas turbine will increase the thrust.
The amount of thrust an engine gives you is the air mass it moves multiplied by the amount it accelerates it by. If you increase the mass you automatically increase the thrust. How much actual effect this will have I don't know, but it will make a difference.
Yup, brick sh!thouses with Model T engines, an electrical system courtesy of "The Prince of Darkness", and pneumatic wheel brakes like an 18 wheeler with ABS, but a sweet flier once you could peel her off the ground.You gotta love those little Fokkers!
Cheers,
Biff
So basically it works like Nitrous in a race car, correct? Lower the temperature, increase density, increase fuel in the combustion chamber.
Yes, but if you're adding more available O2 and gaining more complete combustion, you're driving an already stressed engine toward a too-lean condition with the possible catastrophic consequences that entails. The antidote would be to richen the mixture, reducing charge temperature by atomization.Normal air is 20% oxygen, where as Nitrous (nitrogen oxide) is 33% oxygen.
So feeding Nitrous (instead of normal air) to a car engine gives the engine cylinders chambers more oxygen, allowing the fuel to burn longer or more completely, creating more cylinder pressure, giving more power.
Never heard that Ntirous lowers temperature in the air/fuel going into the cylinder (guessing it does not).
So using Nitrous does not add more fuel (gasoline) to the combustion chamber, just adds more oxygen to help the fuel burn more completely.
From Wiki:
Nitrous oxide is stored as a compressed liquid; the evaporation and expansion of liquid nitrous oxide in the intake manifold causes a large drop in intake charge temperature, resulting in a denser charge, further allowing more air/fuel mixture to enter the cylinder. Sometimes nitrous oxide is injected into (or prior to) the intake manifold, whereas other systems directly inject, right before the cylinder (direct port injection) to increase power."
Any compressed gas (especially if compressed to the point it is stored as a liquid) drops in temperature as it expands.
From Wiki:
Nitrous oxide is stored as a compressed liquid; the evaporation and expansion of liquid nitrous oxide in the intake manifold causes a large drop in intake charge temperature, resulting in a denser charge, further allowing more air/fuel mixture to enter the cylinder. Sometimes nitrous oxide is injected into (or prior to) the intake manifold, whereas other systems directly inject, right before the cylinder (direct port injection) to increase power."
Any compressed gas (especially if compressed to the point it is stored as a liquid) drops in temperature as it expands.
Ok, I'm date stamping myself but here goes. Anyone remember the Oldsmobile Jetfire from the early '60's that was a turbocharged V-8 with a water/alcohol tank that owners didn't understand and would run dry? To be fair, the whole package was not really well thought out.
My favorite "fun" fuel was nitro-methane. In a Top Fuel engine, get the mixture wrong and the engine would, as NASA said of an unhappy rocket engine, suffer a " catastrophic disassembly ".
actually the MW 50 was used at high altitudes in the AS 109's according to former pilots....
First hand knowledge should always be valued. Your old flyers were right.
Me 109G14A or ME 109G6AM could use MW50 to 11,000m/36,000ft and still gain 16kmh or 10mph.
Below a chart of a Me 109G14 speed at 1.3ata max boost versus 1.7 ata max boost with MW50 added to allow the additional boost.
You can see that above the full throttle height of 6600m (point speed falls of) where the supercharger is physically unable to supply more than 1.3 ata that MW50 is still supplying an extra 16kmh/10mph. This is due to the cooling effect making the air more dense.
The Me 109G14ASM of course would have benefited much more due to its larger supercharger. The 1.3ata full throttle height went from 6600m/22000ft to 8300m/27500 with the AS engine. Just above B17 altitude.
I suspect that if the aircraft ran out of MW50 they could revert to their previous 1.42ata emergency boost limit. What was needed for the Me 109 to compete with allied aircraft was the DB603L with 2 stage supercharger which could have maintained the 1.75ata to around 8 km.
This is a height in km versus speed in km/h chart for Me 109AM with MW50 at 1.7ata and without at 1.3ata.
Nothing to add really except I remember the best explanation on water injection I got was from my freshman high school drafting teacher Mr. Delevanno who had been a Thunderbolt crew chief in the South Pacific during WWII. Excellent teacher, spent much time in his office talking aviation.
This thread for some reason stirred some great memories of a wonderful man, thanks.
One of my teachers in mechanic school was a Korean War F86 pilot who spent 22 years flying everything from Texans to Globemasters. Held the record for four engine landings in the C124. Instructed for Mohawk airlines, then mech school, then Director of Training for Empire, Simulator Facility Manager for Piedmont and eventually USAIR. My kind of teacher.That sounds like my type of teacher as well
Old Shaky was a scary aircraft to fly and even be a passenger on.One of my teachers in mechanic school was a Korean War F86 pilot who spent 22 years flying everything from Texans to Globemasters. Held the record for four engine landings in the C124. Instructed for Mohawk airlines, then mech school, then Director of Training for Empire, Simulator Facility Manager for Piedmont and eventually USAIR. My kind of teacher.
Cheers,
Wes