F-22 and F-35 outperformed by 4th gen fighters?

Burmese Bandit · Jun 1, 2009

A very simple answer. If the Russians and the Chinese thought stealth and datasharing wasn't important, they would be ignoring reasearch and development in that area and frantically producing as many Sukhois as possible.

Whereas in real life, they are only producing just enough Sukhois to fill in the slots in their squardrons, and frantically researching stealth and data sharing.

Case closed.

Glider · Jun 1, 2009

Burmese Bandit said:
A very simple answer. If the Russians and the Chinese thought stealth and datasharing wasn't important, they would be ignoring reasearch and development in that area and frantically producing as many Sukhois as possible.

Whereas in real life, they are only producing just enough Sukhois to fill in the slots in their squardrons, and frantically researching stealth and data sharing.

Case closed.

Well put

mkloby · Jun 1, 2009

Lucky13 said:
This is all about what if they met non stealth fighters.....what will happen when they meet a fighter that ARE stealth like themself, HOW do they perform then.....stealth isn't exactly something that you have monopoly on.
Are they as good as they say playing at level with another stealth fighter? The day will come when everybody or most, will have stealth fighters which will make IR and radar missiles useless.....and we're back to bullets and the old blues.

You have a point - but IR missiles "see" the infrared bands, so if they can acquire the heat source they will awlays be a threat. There is also new missile technology that is making its way on the scene as well.

Capt. Vick · Jun 1, 2009

...where is Russia going to get the money to produce/buy all these 4th gen "wonder" fighters? From what I understand the economic crisis has hit them harder then us.

Could be wrong though, as my wife likes to point out.

Matt308 · Jun 1, 2009

PAK-FA is 20 years behind. Surely it will have some surprises, but still 20+yrs behind. Hells bells the F-22 is an early 1990s airplane!!!

Russia doesn't have the $$$. And as much as it might be counter-claimed, Russia is increasingly leery of sharing technology with the ChiComs, since everytime Russia gives them technology they steal it and then compete on the world market against the Russian defense economy for the very same market niche.

There is no comparable 5th generation fighter to the F-22/F-35. Now, nor planned.

Glider · Jun 2, 2009

As long as the PAK-FA and Russia are dependent on stealing technology and/or copying other aircraft and technologies then they will always be at least 11/2 generations behind the USA and other western nations. Russia doesn't have the money or the people, China doesn't have the technology or people and they both have significant internal issues.

When the next Microsoft, Google, NASA type probe, Boeing or Aerospatiale Type Company, innovative microwave communication device or other new technology, comes from Russia or China, then and only then, will there be a cause for concern. I cannot see that happening as to develop an F22 type aircraft you need to blend a lot of technology with one aim. Having one piece of the puzzle is of little benefit.

uberninja · Jun 2, 2009

drgondog said:
Until the 'adversary' force deploys stealth technology and/or defeats it - they can't kill what they can't see. Missle technology combined by radar capabilities sez that F-35 and F-22 have a distinct advantage well before the merge.

the capability of a 22/35 hitting his adversary 50-100 miles away at night (or day) while remaining unseen for example, makes it tough to contemplate why any 4th Gen Russian Fighter has an advantage.

apart from where you have foolhardy pilots

FLYBOYJ · Jun 2, 2009

uberninja said:
apart from where you have foolhardy pilots

Please define

Stitch · Jun 2, 2009

Matt308 said:
There is no comparable 5th generation fighter to the F-22/F-35. Now, nor planned.

I'm sure there are some planned (India?), but they're a good 10-20 years out, minimum; there's nothing to compete with the F-22/35 now, or for the forseeable future.

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