Thumpalumpacus
Major
I'm no expert but I'll look it up in the next day or two. Remind me if I space it, wont'cha?
F-22 hundred of times more stealthy than Su-57?
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I'm no expert but I'll look it up in the next day or two. Remind me if I space it, wont'cha?
Admiral Beez
Major
Thoughts on the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate? First flight planned for 2024…. Yeah right.According to this article F-22 radar cross section is less than 1% of Su-57.
Stealth Fighter Showdown: Russia's Su-57 vs. the F-22 Raptor (Who Wins?)
Evidence suggests that only a small quantity of PAK FAs will enter Russian service this decade—too few to alter the balance of airpower in the near term.nationalinterest.org
Would this translate to Turkey shoot in an actual war?
Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate - Wikipedia
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Whew - that "checkmate" is so...amazing.
Almost as amazing as Iran's Qaher 313...
Almost as amazing as Iran's Qaher 313...
So if the Ukrainians had fired an aircraft carrier at it the story may have been different ?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Pretty much!
Glider
Captain
This part caught my eye
In contrast, Russian analysts insist that ground-based low-bandwidth radars and long-range surface-to-air missiles such as the S-400 are a sure solution against stealth fighters. These tie the T-50 to operate closer to ground-based positions, which may be acceptable given Russia's security posture.
The confidence that the S-400 is a sure solution against Stealth fighters when they haven't been a sure solution against the Mig29, seems more than a little misplaced
In contrast, Russian analysts insist that ground-based low-bandwidth radars and long-range surface-to-air missiles such as the S-400 are a sure solution against stealth fighters. These tie the T-50 to operate closer to ground-based positions, which may be acceptable given Russia's security posture.
The confidence that the S-400 is a sure solution against Stealth fighters when they haven't been a sure solution against the Mig29, seems more than a little misplaced
Token
Senior Airman
Errr, the Moskva class was an ASW platform. I don't remember it having any weapons that could attack a carrier. Well, I guess you could use the FRAS-1's to kill a carrier, if you could get close enough.
Or do you mean the (recently demised) ship renamed Moskva, a Slava class cruiser? Then yes, in the 1970's (when it was designed) and into the 1980's (commissioned in 1982) it was a threat to the carrier. I remember training exercises specifically modeled around a Slava centered attack group, in combination with Blinder and Backfire support. But, 40 years later, not so much. And any ship, caught asleep at the wheel or in limiting waters, is little more than a target, no matter how lethal it might be to other ships.
T!
Yes, they are referring to the recent Cruiser converted to a Submarine.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Should have read: "Moskva's class"
After fighting with this phone's
spell check, which insisted "Moskva" should be "Monica", I just left it as it was...
After fighting with this phone's
spell check, which insisted "Moskva" should be "Monica", I just left it as it was...
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Most of us are aware of GrauGeist and his on going war with spell check.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Have I mentioned that I hate this f**king phone?
Because I really do...
Because I really do...
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
More than twice.
Snautzer01
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Buster01
Airman
This is a picture of the upper wing surface of an SU-57. It almost looks like it was produced by a carpenter using wood screws. How stealthy could this be?According to this article F-22 radar cross section is less than 1% of Su-57.
Stealth Fighter Showdown: Russia's Su-57 vs. the F-22 Raptor (Who Wins?)
Evidence suggests that only a small quantity of PAK FAs will enter Russian service this decade—too few to alter the balance of airpower in the near term.
Would this translate to Turkey shoot in an actual war?
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Token
Senior Airman
Not particularly, every one of those screws and dimples is a corner reflector for RF energy, and they are all additive.
However, if they keep that kind of stuff only on the upper surfaces, with more attention to detail on the front and lower facing surfaces, it can still have quite a reduced RCS on the nose and with regards to anything it is facing / attacking.
My concern is more when I see things like this (not my image, random grab from web):
Those are obvious fasteners and panel seams below the waterline, and they also don't look very stealthy to me.
And I don't mean to imply that that panels being seen means anything bad, but that just looks ruff to me. Ruff means less smooth, less smooth generally means less stealthy.
Compare it to the fit and finish of panels on the F22 in a similar shot (not my image, random grab from web).
T!
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
It seemed clear to me he was talking about the Moskva that was recently sunk. That was certainly designed to attack CAGs, with its loadout. I don't know how much ASW gear it had, but it's main-deck missile-racks speak to its mission. It also had what for the time was a healthy counter-air capability.
Admiral Beez
Major
I look forward to seeing the BAE Tempest and Mitsubishi F-X in the next decade. The Russians just can't compete.
China builds a much better quality product.
Sukhoi 'quality' can be very variable
Thats inside a brand new Sukhoi Superjet 100 wing
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
And what are you showing us? Is this a crack verified by penetrant inspection? Is the paint flaking off prematurely? Is there a any other indication of failure?
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
That's why if it's not Boeing, I ain't going!
