F-80/F-84 v. MiG-9

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Which would be the best of these airplanes?

  1. F-80

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    66.7%
  2. F-84

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. MiG-9

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    16.7%
  1. joeferrito

    joeferrito New Member

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    I've been playing around with a couple post-WW2 scenarios and I've been curious, how do early Russian jet fighters stack up against US birds? I've heard stories about the MiG-9 being a beast, but I wanted a little outside opinion.
     
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    They only made 610 of them, that should tell you something.
     
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    If there'd been fighter combat in Europe before the MiG-15 was introduced, what would the Russians have used? The only 2 fighters I know off the bat are the Yak-15 and the MiG-9
     
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    Gentlemen,
    A small number of Yak 23 fighters were operational with the Soviet AF by the end of 1950. I believe that 313 were produced in total. Six Warsaw Pact air forces also operated the Yak 23 beginning in 1951.
     
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    To answer the original question, the Mig 9 would have the advantage over the F 80 A, but the F 80 C was clearly superior IMO. The F 84 A and B would be in trouble with the Mig. An interesting what-if was that a Mig 9 was flown with afterburners in May 47, greatly increasing its performance. No operational Mig 9 had afterburners. Fuel consumption was a problem.
     
  6. FLYBOYJ

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    I choose the F-80. The F-80C was superior to both the MiG-9 and F-84 A&B. The F-84 as an aircraft was always plagued with some shortcoming despite the numbers produced. The F-80 design more than proved its longevity based on what its offspring, the T-33 accomplished.
     
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    Plus the Mig-9 had problems with the armament position. The cannons muzzle flash was inhaled by the engine intake, causing the engine to flame out. I think they finally solved it by repositioning the cannons.
     
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    FLYBOYJ,
    You're quite right. The F80/T33 family were great aircraft. I've always liked the AT33A which was a decent ground attack platform. The effective longevity of the design is remarkable. Leaving aside the Latin AFs, the French operated the RT33A as late as 1974.
     
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    #9 drgondog, Sep 13, 2011
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    Kelly Johnson built a great airframe with the P-80. For me, the F84 series including the F were the worst of all the Republic production birds..
     
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    it operated into the late 70's with USAF and the 90's with the RCAF
     
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    pbfoot,
    I didn't know that the RCAF operated them that long. Thanks for the info.
     
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    2005 and 2.5 times longer then projected lifespan
     
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