Steamed_Banana
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- Sep 29, 2025
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The Desert War started in June 1940, but presumably "early difficult" dates to some time in 1941 but could be well into 1942 given the aircraft types mentioned. Wellingtons did anti shipping operations and remained the primary strategic bomber in Egypt, supplemented by Halifax and then the USAAF B-24 units started to take over.
The US kept all the A-20A for itself.
We are reviewing the wisdom of Martin as they designed the B26. Selecting the biggest engine available was extremely wise. We have a conflict between defensive armament and speed. Turbochargers on the Maraudaskito would be nifty, but lots of damage can be done by a fast aircraft at low altitude, as real Mosquitos eventually would demonstrate.Might work in 1943
Maybe you can try an even smaller plane using the engines/turbos from a P-43?
The A-20's attributes were speed and range, which was essential at the start of the war in many theaters.The Soviets changed the bomb racks on the A-20 and increased the bomb load to 2,000 kg when taking off from a concrete runway. In general, Soviet aviation considered the nominal bomb load of the A-20 to be underestimated—the aircraft was capable of carrying much more.
Is that really a limitation? If I want maximum speed, I need to identify stuff I do not absolutely need. A tactical bomber can operate from airfields in the vicinity of the battlefield. A light, tactical bomber does not need long range. It can operate from airfields close to the battlefield. A smaller, lighter aircraft will be faster, more manoeuverable, and harder to hit, and more able to survive missions. This is why the small, tactical bombers were largely replaced in the ETO with fighter bombers like P47s and Typhoons.Early A-20s / DB-7s had fairly poor range, which was one of their biggest limitations. Each subsequent version was improved in this regard, the G had decent range. None were really long ranged though.
Is that really a limitation? If I want maximum speed, I need to identify stuff I do not absolutely need. A tactical bomber can operate from airfields in the vicinity of the battlefield. A light, tactical bomber does not need long range. It can operate from airfields close to the battlefield. A smaller, lighter aircraft will be faster, more manoeuverable, and harder to hit, and more able to survive missions. This is why the small, tactical bombers were largely replaced in the ETO with fighter bombers like P47s and Typhoons.
It would be really nice to have a can of speed and range that I can spray on my aircraft. This does not exist, and there is no free lunch.
Have ground crews, using spray cans of black paint and white paint, apply balkenkrueze.It would be really nice to have a can of speed and range that I can spray on my aircraft. This does not exist, and there is no free lunch.
I'll stick with 130 octane fuel thank you.Have ground crews, using spray cans of black paint and white paint, apply balkenkrueze.
The A-20A had a range of 675 miles with a 2,000 pound bomb load with a cruise speed of 295mph. It's max. speed was over 340mph @ 12,000 feet.Early A-20s / DB-7s had fairly poor range, which was one of their biggest limitations. Each subsequent version was improved in this regard, the G had decent range. None were really long ranged though.
I always thought 130 octane fuel was carried internally rather than sprayed on.I'll stick with 130 octane fuel thank you.
The A-20A had a range of 675 miles with a 2,000 pound bomb load with a cruise speed of 295mph. It's max. speed was over 340mph @ 12,000 feet.
For an early war medium bomber, this was going to be hard to beat.
Comparing to the A-20A to the A-20G is actually a step backward. Yes, the G variant had increased range and bombload, but at the cost of it's speed.
So as fighters were getting faster, the A-20 was getting slower.
It makes perfect sense to me. The chasing enemy sees flames pouring off your aircraft. He registers his attack as a kill, and you continue on your mission.I always thought 130 octane fuel was carried internally rather than sprayed on.
The things one learns here.
It was an early concept that, post war, resulted in the sporting game of extreme tennis. Played by two players in petrol soaked clothing and fending off a flaming tennis ball………It makes perfect sense to me. The chasing enemy sees flames pouring off your aircraft. He registers his attack as a kill, and you continue on your mission.
"Early difficult" for the Desert air war = began when the Bf 109s of JG 27 (IIRC Sept of 1941) and MC 202s (Nov 41) arrived, IMO. This is when Allied aircraft losses began to really mount.
There is an earlier fascinating phase involving Lysanders and Gladiators fighting CR 32s and BR.20s and a lot of other weird types, and then a bit later Hurricanes fighting G.50s and MC 200s and toward the end of it... a few Bf 110s, but I consider this the era prior to either side taking a very serious interest and casualties among pilots and aircrew on both sides were comparatively low.
The A-20A was almost identical to the British DB-7B / Boston III. The Boston IIIA was also very similar to the A-20C.
While Allied losses in late 1941 were steep, it's important to remember that by the end of 1942, the Axis had lost several thousand aircraft in the MTO that year alone.
I think it was in von Mellenthin's memoirs that I first read about the "pig-headed eighteens"? RAF strikes post-Alamein to harry the retreat, that informed later CAS/BAI efforts in NW Europe. Correction is welcomed if my memory ain't up to snuff.
Oh there is no doubt, the Axis went from really causing a lot of harm for what became the DAF (and friends) in the last quarter of 1941 through the second quarter of 1942, to by end of the third quarter of 1942 getting their back broken and soon after, basically annihilated.
Part of what was going on the whole time is that the RAF and then yank friends were focused on using air power to destroy the Afrika Korps, while the Luftwaffe was focused on destroying the DAF, but in the process DAF destroyed them in the end. And developed the Close Air Support systems which would later be used in Normandy etc.
Who was it, Conningham iirc, who sorted out ground support in North Africa? Between him and later on Pete Quesada, the Germans on the ground had a tough row to hoe. This is one field where the Brits really got it on the ball.
By mid 1942 North African skies were really too dangerous for Ju-87s, and eventually they switched to using Fw 190s as their main bombers [...]
Sure. -87s were shown deficient absent fighter escort by autumn 1940 outside the 1941-42 usage on the Eastern Front.
What I find interesting is the learning curve each side had. The Allies seemed to understand early that pinpoint attacks weren't productive, while the Germans stuck with them in those areas where they still made hay. The Allies didn't waste much effort on land-attack dive-bombers outside the Vultees over Burma, shifting instead to jabos. The Germans seemed to like their Stukas too much and put good money in after bad.
That's only for ETO/MTO, obvs. The RAF in Burma and USMC in the Solomons campaign got some mileage out of DBs. Faster and more defensible seemed to trump scary and sometimes useful.