Fighter: Flop or Not

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years of stoking destroyers and trains leave a mark. He had a grip like a vice, I don't know about superhuman but it was unnerving to strangers when they shook hands.
The entire crew of this Museumbahn train were railroad retirees and museum volunteers and I got four bone-crushing handshakes after my "five minutes of fame" and two breath-taking slaps on the back. The Danes aren't known for their demonstrativeness, but these old guys were a lot of fun.
Cheers
Wes
 
Yup, as a child he felt un naturally strong as if he had no idea of his own strength, I grew out of play fighting before I ever managed to move him an inch, the other thing about his hands was they were softer and smoother than most womans are, but then again people use charcoal in face packs, coal dust probably does the same thing.

I've only met a couple of Danes, they are like Germans, very few fit the national stereotype, most are a great laugh and very tactile, especially after a beer.
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I honestly have no idea, like many men in the war he never spoke about it
That was a common theme in those days, come to think of it...
When we ate together at my grans house (his mother) he always appeared at exactly 12.30 just as the food was served. He couldn't bear the smell of meat cooking, it reminded him of the smell of aircraft he had cleaned out with burned crews.
The smell of burning flesh can be really traumatic to some people (others are unaffected for some reason), and the sight of burned corpses is not pleasant to say the least.
I only know he was a gunner because he wasn't a pilot or navigator.
Makes enough sense...
Yeah, it's important to have a cool head in charge...
John was the custodian of a Norman Castle
That's pretty cool!
 


A friend knew a pilot who flew F-86Ds for the USAF. It was relayed to me that this pilot said the Saber Dog could not get two passes on a B-36 at its operating altitude. After the first pass, the fighter didn't have the performance to maneuver and re-engage. I think this was the driver for supersonic speeds, as the interceptor needed nearly double the bombers' speed to get a second pass.
 
Zipper, I am no longer going to reply to this type of post.
 
Zipper, I am no longer going to reply to this type of post.
Too much cut and paste?

That's a major problem... could any aircraft of that era achieve two passes?
I think this was the driver for supersonic speeds, as the interceptor needed nearly double the bombers' speed to get a second pass.
From what I remember you needed around 0.5 to 1.0 Mach over the bomber's speed
 
Too much cut and paste?

That's a major problem... could any aircraft of that era achieve two passes?
From what I remember you needed around 0.5 to 1.0 Mach over the bomber's speed
With the anemic engines of the time that just wasn't going to happen. When the Pratt J57 showed up, then it began to be sort of feasible.
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Wes
 
With the anemic engines of the time that just wasn't going to happen.
Well, technically there was the XF-91 Thunderceptor. It did manage to achieve Mach 1.71 at least once. That would provide against a 0.95 mach margin over a bomber doing 0.76 (around what the B-47's typically did), 0.845 mach over a target doing Mach 0.865 (B-47 maximum speed), and 0.76 over a bomber capable of doing 0.95 Mach (around the V-bombers typical speeds).

Considering the XF-91 early on had a J47 with four rocket motors; later on a J47 with afterburning and four rocket motors; and at some point a radar thimble was added to the nose: I'm not sure under what conditions, what was do-able with what.

I'm also not sure if the maximum altitude listed was subsonic or supersonic, and it's range may very well have been poor if the rockets were used.
 
Considering the XF-91 early on had a J47 with four rocket motors; later on a J47 with afterburning and four rocket motors; and at some point a radar thimble was added to the nose: I'm not sure under what
Sure, four rockets and a J47 might give you an impressive mach number in a one-time supersonic dash, but how practical is such a contraption as a long range interceptor? And given the technology of the time, how likely would you be able to do it with a large enough dish in the nose to give your radar the range a long range interceptor needs. Remember the battleground here is over northern Canada or the Arctic icepack where GCI won't be as capable or precise as over CONUS. Imagine running a dragster on a road course such as Monaco or Watkins Glen against Formula One cars.
Cheers,
Wes
 
Sure, four rockets and a J47 might give you an impressive mach number in a one-time supersonic dash, but how practical is such a contraption as a long range interceptor?
Well, I figured the range would be poor... I just said it could achieve enough speed

I'm not sure how much range it had while supersonic and how that would translate to endurance (a certain amount of time/distance is acceleration and climb, a certain amount would be supersonic outbound dash and interception profile, a certain amount would include provisions for maneuvering, and the last amount would be the amount to fly home, loiter, divert).
And given the technology of the time, how likely would you be able to do it with a large enough dish in the nose to give your radar the range a long range interceptor needs.
The XF-91 used the AN/APS-6. Same as on the F-86D.
Remember the battleground here is over northern Canada or the Arctic icepack where GCI won't be as capable or precise as over CONUS.
Such interceptors were often designed to launch a certain number of miles out, blow up (or turn-back) a bomber. Interceptor bases were all over CONUS, Alaska, and Hawaii.
 
It's a long way from CONUS to the interception zone over Canada's north coast, no jet of that period could fly that kind of mission at supersonic speeds on its launch fuel, and the tankers will all be busy with the outgoing retaliatory strkes. Can you spell "one way mission"?
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Wes
 
It's a long way from CONUS to the interception zone over Canada's north coast, no jet of that period could fly that kind of mission at supersonic speeds on its launch fuel
That's not what I was talking about: What I said was that interceptor bases were located all over CONUS, Alaska, and Hawaii: Those based over Alaska could take care of attacks on Alaska and some coming over the pole towards Canada and the rest of the continental US; the CONUS bases could take care of attacks from the northern border, and the coasts; and Hawaii would basically defend itself.

The RCAF also had interceptor bases of it's own, and quite a number of interceptors as well: I wouldn't be surprised if they had the willingness to take our back (particularly since they have targets of value too), and could at the least thin down the numbers prior to them reaching the US border.
 
Don't they teach history anymore? Anybody ever heard of NORAD? CF-100, CF-101, anybody?? How about DEW Line? BOMARC? SAGE? BMEWS?
Well, I meant before 1958 when NORAD was established.

However, I should point out that when it comes to the so called "humanities" (which includes history), it has been on quite a decline
 
Well, I meant before 1958 when NORAD was established.

However, I should point out that when it comes to the so called "humanities" (which includes history), it has been on quite a decline
The subject starts with Geography, far too many people think they live on a flat earth which is represented by a map that has Alaska on the left and Russia on the right, look at a map projected from the North Pole to gauge who has whos back and whos interests are where.
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The subject starts with Geography, far too many people think they live on a flat earth
Most of those people are either trolls, or gullible people who have fallen prey to it: I know the earth is a close enough to a sphere (it's technically slightly larger in equatorial diameter than polar due to the rotation of the earth and centrifugal force).

It is sad that one has to start with this, isn't it?
 
Canada cannot possibly "have the back" of the USA because Canada lies between the USA and Russia with the exception of Alaska. They are not "trolls" when an engine exploded on an Airbus A380 going between France and Los Angeles many people posted that it must have been off course when the wreckage was found in Greenland.
 
when an engine exploded on an Airbus A380 going between France and Los Angeles many people posted that it must have been off course when the wreckage was found in Greenland.
Blessed be they that trot the globe in great circles for they shall be known as the Big Wheels!
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Blessed be they that trot the globe in great circles for they shall be known as the Big Wheels!
What was very scary was the number of people stating that Greenland is not between Paris and L.A. and the even bigger number of people giving the posts "up votes". I must admit I was surprised when I flew over my home at 40,000ft on the way from London to Anchorage I never really thought that Anchorage is almost exactly due north when you think about it, they are 180 degrees apart on a standard map.
 

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