Forrestal Memorial

[FLYBOYJ]

Yes, I meant rate codes. Thank you.

​ General Ratings. Ratings may have evolved through several names to reflect changes in required skill sets. Many of these ratings no longer exist. Some ratings have been discontinued only to be restored. Logos indicate an active rating.	​ Service Ratings. Service ratings are subspecialties under general ratings. Service ratings generally merge into a single rating at the E-6 to E-9 level. Many of the service ratings listed below no longer exist.
ABM Aviation Boatswain's Mate (1944-1948) (AB Rate subdivided 1948 to service ratings ) ABCM Master Chief Aviation Boatswain's Mate (E-9 only)	ABH Aviation Boatswain's Mate Aircraft Handling ABF Aviation Boatswain's Mate Fuels ABE Aviation Boatswain's Mate Launch & Recovery Equipment ABU Aviation Boatswain's Mate Utility
AC Air Controlman (1948-1977) AC Air Traffic Controller (1977- )	ACT Aircontrolman Tower ACW Aircontrolman Early Warning
ACM Aviation Carpenter's Mate (1921-1940) (to AM)
AD Aviation Machinist's Mate (1948- )	ADE Aviation Machinist's Mate Engine Mechanic ADF Aviation Machinist's Mate Flight Engineer ADG Aviation Machinist's Mate Carburetor Mechanic ADJ Aviation Machinist's Mate Jet Engine Mechanic ADR Aviation Machinist's Mate Reciprocating Engine Mechanic ADP Aviation Machinist's Mate Propeller Mechanic
AEM Aviation Electrician's Mate (1942-1948) AE Aviation Electrician's Mate (1948- )
AF Photographer's Mate (1948-1950) (to PH)
AFCM Master Chief Aircraft Maintenanceman (E-9 only) (1963- )
Aerog Aerographer (1923-1942) AerM Aerographer's Mate (1942-1948) AG Aerographer's Mate (1948- )
AK Aviation Storekeeper (1948-2003) (to SK)
AL Aviation Electronicsman (1948-1959) (to AT)
AM Aviation Metalsmith (1921-1948) (AM Rate subdivided 1948 to service ratings >) AM Aviation Structural Mechanic (E-8 only)	AMH Aviation Structural Mechanic Hydraulic Mechanic (1948-2001)(to AM) AME Aviation Structural Mechanic Safety Equipment AMS Aviation Structural Mechanic Structures (1948-2001)(to AM)
MMA Machinist's Mate (Aviation) (1917-1921) AMM Aviation Machinist's Mate (1921-1948) (to AD)	AMMC Aviation Machinist's Mate Carburetor Mechanic AMMF Aviation Machinist's Mate Flight Engineer AMMH Aviation Machinist's Mate Hydraulic Mechanic AMMI Aviation Machinist's Mate Instrument Mechanic AMMP Aviation Machinist's Mate Propeller Mechanic AMMT Aviation Machinist's Mate Gas Turbine Mechanic
AOM Aviation Ordnanceman (1921-1948) AO Aviation Ordnanceman (1948- )	AOMB Aviation Bombsight Mechanic (1943-1944) AOMB Aviation Bombsight and Fire Control Mechanic (1944- ) AOMT Aviation Ordnanceman Turrets AOF Aviation Ordnanceman Fire Control AOT Aviation Ordnanceman Turrets AOU Aviation Ordnanceman Utility
AQ Aviation Fire Control Technician (1954-1991) (to AT)	AQB Aviation Fire Control Technician Bomb Director AQF Aviation Fire Control Technician Fire Control
AP Aviation Pilot (1924-1933) (1942-1948) (Naval Aviation Pilot (NAP) & AP History)	CAP Chief Aviation Pilot (1924-1933) AP First Class Aviation Pilot (1927-1933) APA Aviation Pilot Airship
AR Quartermaster (Aviation) (1917-1921) AR Aviation Rigger (1921-1927) AR Airship Rigger (1943-1948) (to AM)
ARM Aviation Radioman (1942-1948) (to AL)
AS Aviation Support Equipment Technician (1966- )	ASE Aviation Support Equipment Technician Electrical ASH Aviation Support Equipment Technician Hydraulics and Structure ASM Aviation Support Equipment Technician Mechanical
ART Aviation Radio Technician (1942-1945) AETM Aviation Electronic Technician's Mate (1945-1948) AT Aviation Electronics Technician (1948- )	ATA Aviation Electronics Technician Aircraft Equipment ATG Aviation Electronics Technician Ground Equipment ATN Aviation Electronics Technician Radio & Radio Navigation Equipment ATO Aviation Electronics Technician Ordnance ATR Aviation Electronics Technician Radar and Radar Navigation Equipment ATW Aviation Electronics Technician Airborne CIC Equipment
AVCM Master Chief Avionics Technician (E-9 only)
AW Aviation Antisubmarine Warfare Operator (1968-1993) AW Aviation Warfare Systems Operator (1993 -2008) AW Master Chief Naval Aircrewman (2008- ) (E-9 only)	AWF Naval Aircrewman Mechanical AWO Naval Aircrewman Operator AWS Naval Aircrewman Helicopter AWR Naval Aircrewman Tactical Helicopter AWV Naval Aircrewman Avionics

These are all the Aviating Ratings - there are more for surface personnel

 

[XBe02Drvr]

These are all the Aviating Ratings - there are more for surface personnel

Hey Joe, you left out TraDevMan, my rate. Doesn't start with "A", but an aviation rate just the same. Those few TDs who were "stolen" for non-aviation activities (sub and surface warfare simulators, the escape tank at New London, surface gunnery trainers,etc) had to go to yet another school after they graduated from TD "A" at NATTC Memphis.
I reported to my permanent duty station less than a month shy of a full year from my arrival at boot camp, and I fast-tracked through Avionics "A" shaving ten weeks off the syllabus. The average TD who did the full 44 weeks of avionics "A", the nine weeks of TD "A", and then had the misfortune to draw a black shoe duty station, with its additional 9 weeks of "finishing school", would arrive PDS with only 2 1/2 years left in their enlistment, and intense pressure to re-up. No wonder the Nav decided to abolish the rate, since tech reps were already doing most of the heavy lifting in simulator maintenance.

Other aviation rates not beginning with "A":

PR (Aviation Survival Equipmentman - formerly Parachute Rigger)

PI (Photo Interpreter)

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Hey Joe, you left out TraDevMan, my rate. Doesn't start with "A", but an aviation rate just the same. Those few TDs who were "stolen" for non-aviation activities (sub and surface warfare simulators, the escape tank at New London, surface gunnery trainers,etc) had to go to yet another school after they graduated from TD "A" at NATTC Memphis.

Other aviation rates not beginning with "A":

PR (Aviation Survival Equipmentman - formerly Parachute Rigger)

PI (Photo Interpreter)

100% correct Wes, just copied as much as I can from a Bluejackets page.

 

[davparlr]

Such sadness. And now they've turned Afghanistan over to the very people who condoned the killing thousands of innocent victims in New York. What betrayal.

 

[ARTESH]

Such sadness. And now they've turned Afghanistan over to the very people who condoned the killing thousands of innocent victims in New York. What betrayal.

Strongly agree with you! Specially that they now control borders on eastern provinces. I was there as Part of Iran's Army Reserve Troops Command to reinforce the borders. The platoon (belonged to IRGC Border Guards Command) that my platoon replaced with them, was almost destroyed!

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Hey Joe, you left out TraDevMan, my rate. Doesn't start with "A", but an aviation rate just the same. Those few TDs who were "stolen" for non-aviation activities (sub and surface warfare simulators, the escape tank at New London, surface gunnery trainers,etc) had to go to yet another school after they graduated from TD "A" at NATTC Memphis.
I reported to my permanent duty station less than a month shy of a full year from my arrival at boot camp, and I fast-tracked through Avionics "A" shaving ten weeks off the syllabus. The average TD who did the full 44 weeks of avionics and then had the misfortune to draw a black shoe duty station, with its additional 9 weeks of "finishing school", would arrive PDS with only 2 1/2 years left in their enlistment, and intense pressure to re-up. No wonder the Nav decided to abolish the rate.

Other aviation rates not beginning with "A":

PR (Aviation Survival Equipmentman - formerly Parachute Rigger)

PI (Photo Interpreter)

 

[ARTESH]

X XBe02Drvr :

Is this your rating?

TraDevMan - Google Search

 

[XBe02Drvr]

X XBe02Drvr :

Is this your rating?

That's it. When all our gear was working right, we were called "Toy Doctors"; when it wasn't, we were "Turd Dunkers". Old tired equipment gave us plenty of practice at troubleshooting, but was interesting work nonetheless.

 

[Capt. Vick]

Such sadness. And now they've turned Afghanistan over to the very people who condoned the killing thousands of innocent victims in New York. What betrayal.

No doubt. But I believe it would have ended that same any year we chose to pull the plug. We built them a military that cost more than their GNP a year to maintain and they were still losing ground. The situation was untenable, to say nothing of their desire to fight. Any democracy movement has to be homegrown, not installed at the point of a gun. My heart bleeds for all the fathers, mothers, wives, husband's, sons and daughters whose loved ones lives where lost in this just cause, turned ruinous nation building. Turns out someone was lying to us as to the real story. What a waste of lives and treasure. Will we ever learn?

 

[ARTESH]

1- We built them a military that cost more than their GNP a year to maintain and they were still losing ground. The situation was untenable, to say nothing of their desire to fight.

2- Any democracy movement has to be homegrown, not installed at the point of a gun.

3- My heart bleeds for all the fathers, mothers, wives, husband's, sons and daughters whose loved ones lives where lost in this just cause, turned ruinous nation building. Turns out someone was lying to us as to the real story. What a waste of lives and treasure.

4- Will we ever learn?

1- There are many reasons for this! To understand it, You might educate yourself on the events happened 43 years ago, from start to end, In Iran and possibly something that happened before it.

2- Agreed! but having "Guns" is sometimes more profitable.

3- Same here.

4- Who is this "WE" exactly? If you are talking about normal people, like yourself or me, or anyone else here, The answer is YES. But if you're pointing to top of pyramid, The answer is a huge "NO".

 

[davparlr]

In a way you are correct and I blame Bush for this. We should have gone into Afghanistan, cleaned out the Al-Qaeda, bloodied the nose of the Taliban because they allowed them in, and left, leaving a note on their door "We're watching. If we see these guys back we will come avisiting again."

You should NEVER withdraw from a position of weakness. Adequate holding forces should be maintained until critical forces/people have been extracted (see Dunkirk). Biden pulled out the holding force, surrendering the advantage they had, before extraction of valuable people and resources, eg, weapons. I am afraid this bodes badly for future peace and safety in the region and here at home.

I am not sure there was a reason to withdraw at this time. The region seemed stable (only one soldier was killed in the last year?). Our forces were the backbone of the Afghan military, when we pulled that out, it collapsed. As long as we were there, no threat from Al-Qaeda, ISIS, no threat of a new caliphate forming, no threat from China moving in, no threat Russia moving in (I'm not sure they would want to or be welcome). In the future, it could be messy if we have to go back, especially if they find friends to provide modern air defenses.

 

[ARTESH]

As long as we were there, no threat from Al-Qaeda, ISIS, no threat of a new caliphate forming, no threat from China moving in, no threat Russia moving in (I'm not sure they would want to or be welcome). In the future, it could be messy if we have to go back, especially if they find friends to provide modern air defenses.

There were, are and will be threads! You were not informed of existing, and by then, arising threads! Be prepared for some bloodshed in US Soil and any other nation that sent troops to Afghanistan. Maybe some time around New Year Holidays.

Mark my Words.

For them, You are not only an outsider, but also "Infidels", that alone, is enough strong to be a "Thread".

 

[ARTESH]

The man who plants "Wind", Harvests "Typhoon" .

Just saying.

 

[Capt. Vick]

1- There are many reasons for this! To understand it, You might educate yourself on the events happened 43 years ago, from start to end, In Iran and possibly something that happened before it.

2- Agreed! but having "Guns" is sometimes more profitable.

3- Same here.

4- Who is this "WE" exactly? If you are talking about normal people, like yourself or me, or anyone else here, The answer is YES. But if you're pointing to top of pyramid, The answer is a huge "NO".

1) I was merely commenting on the fact that the military that WE (the US and others) set up for the "friendly" Afgan government was simply unsustainable in our absence. As it turned out it was all mute, as it was barely used.

2) Not sure what you mean exactly, but I will take this as a statement of agreement.

3) ditto

4) I was thinking of the US as an entity. Like "We" didn't remember the lessons of the past and thought "this time will be different". Hubris. It would have been nice to go in and out quickly and not squander life and good will invading Irag and staying in both.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Folks let's stop with the politics please.

 

[ARTESH]

Folks let's stop with the politics please.

Not politics. Just saying that History repeats itself. What happened 43 years ago, in Iran, is now happening in Afghanistan. A close look to the events, will reveal many similarities.

about that warning, just remember that U.S. embassy was besieged by rebels, after that, were series of bombings, kidnappings, Assassinations, you name it!, And I'm pretty sure that anyone here, knows the meaning of besieging an embassy.