FW-200 C-1 Condor (1 Viewer)

[Stas1234]

It looks like the doors were on the civilian variant only. The military ones had the side gun stations there.

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the pic source: the net.

Do you know what else distinguished a civilian condor from a military one?

 

[Wurger]

Do you know what else distinguished a civilian condor from a military one?

Externally ? .. like I have already mentioned it earlier.

 

[Stas1234]

Внешне? .. как я уже упоминал ранее.

Yes

 

[Wurger]

Yes

The Fw200V1 had the fin and rudder tips of a different shape initially. It resulted also in the different shape of the trim tabs.

the source: the net.

Also the Fw200V2 D-AETA had the elevator tips changed. Initailly it was like the V1 had firstly and then got the similar to the later ones.

the source: the net.

 

[Stas1234]

The synthetic gasoline used by Germans in the WW2 left the kind of the exhaust soot. IIRC ... the BMW Bramo 323 worked with the B4 rated at 87 octane fuel.

Can you explain how Coal is related to B4 gasoline?

 

[Wurger]

Can you explain how Coal is related to B4 gasoline?

The aviation B4 gasoline produced in the WW2 Germany of the blue grade. It was loaded with the equivalent of 4.35 cubic centimeters tetraethyl lead per gallon.
The B-4 grade was simply a fraction of the gasoline product from coal and coal tar hydrogenation. It contained normally 10 to 15 percent volume aromatics, 45 percent volume naphthenes, and the remainder paraffins. The octane number was 89 by a measurement corresponding to the C.F.R. motor method.

 

[Stas1234]

The aviation B4 gasoline produced in the WW2 Germany of the blue grade. it was loaded with the equivalent of 4.35 cubic centimeters tetraethyl lead per gallon.
The B-4 grade was simply a fraction of the gasoline product from coal and coal tar hydrogenation. It contained normally 10 to 15 percent volume aromatics, 45 percent volume naphthenes, and the remainder paraffins. The octane number was 89 by a measurement corresponding to the C.F.R. motor method.

Can you tell me the history of this plane?

 

[Wurger]

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Can you tell me the history of this plane?

Fw 200C-1 Condor was of the V (Erganzungs) Gruppe of KG 40 that was formed at Orleans-Bricy in mid-1941. This early production Fw 200C-1, F8+BW belonged to the 12./KG 40 and had the dark sea green (RLM 72) and dark green (RLM 73) uppersurfaces with pale blue (RLM 65) beneath. The individual aircraft letter 'B' was outlined in white.
She was piloted by Hptm. Edmund Daser, Staffelkapitan of I./KG 40 and, in February 1941, one of the most successful Condor pilots. Forty-five white vertical bars, representing the total number of missions which Daser's crew had then flown over Britain were painted on the fin together with the legend 'ENGLAND'. The rudder bears a silhouette of the ships which the crew claimed to have sunk, together with the date of the action. These ranged from 25 August 1940 to 28 February 1941. Daser was awarded the Ritterkreuz on 21 February 1941 and the following day a Wehrmacht communique announced that up to then his Staffel had sunk 145,200 BRT of shipping, of which 57,000 BRT was credited to Daser himself. On 29 June 1942, Daser, then a Major, was awarded the Deutsche Kreuz in Gold for his exploits.

 

[Stas1234]

Looking great. However let me correct a couple of points .... the D-ACON was the civil plane. So there weren't the top front cupola/turret and the back gunner station with the canopy. What is more the civilian Condors didn't have the fuselage belly nacelle.These were used for the military versions only. Also the swastika was painted on the white disk. You forgot it to add. Please have a look at my post #164 above with the D-ACON and D-AETA and you can get what I meant. A note though . Although it might seem the D-AETA had already the red band and the white disk applied but no the swastkia yet, it is a post-war censorship. They removed the swastika due to the Law rules. Here below you may see the similar pic of the D-ACON. Anyway the disk was of the white colour.

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the source: Fw 200 "Condor" im Flug – Focke-Wulf Fw 200 "Condor"



Focke-Wulf Fw 200 S-1 D-ACON ....



the info source: D-ACON | This Day in Aviation



Какие полосы?

I'm confused. Is this the S1 or V1 modification?

 

[Wurger]

The Fw 200 V1 is the first prototype of the Condor. The "V" means "Versuchsflugzeug (Versuchsmodel)" - prototype generally. So it is not any modification. In 1938 the plane was upgraded with extra fuel tanks and redesignated Fw 200S-1. The "S" was standing for "Sonder" - special. So it is just the change of the marking.

 

[Aeroweanie]

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If I remember correctly, this had some really good Condor drawings. If I remember tomorrow, I will check for you.

Does this book give the designations of the airfoils used in the wing design of the Bv 222?

 

[Stas1234]

Fw 200C-1 Condor was of the V (Erganzungs) Gruppe of KG 40 that was formed at Orleans-Bricy in mid-1941. This early production Fw 200C-1, F8+BW belonged to the 12./KG 40 and had the dark sea green (RLM 72) and dark green (RLM 73) uppersurfaces with pale blue (RLM 65) beneath. The individual aircraft letter 'B' was outlined in white.
She was piloted by Hptm. Edmund Daser, Staffelkapitan of I./KG 40 and, in February 1941, one of the most successful Condor pilots. Forty-five white vertical bars, representing the total number of missions which Daser's crew had then flown over Britain were painted on the fin together with the legend 'ENGLAND'. The rudder bears a silhouette of the ships which the crew claimed to have sunk, together with the date of the action. These ranged from 25 August 1940 to 28 February 1941. Daser was awarded the Ritterkreuz on 21 February 1941 and the following day a Wehrmacht communique announced that up to then his Staffel had sunk 145,200 BRT of shipping, of which 57,000 BRT was credited to Daser himself. On 29 June 1942, Daser, then a Major, was awarded the Deutsche Kreuz in Gold for his exploits.

Is this S-1? You yourself wrote that the S-1 has a different front turret from the others. So are the engine nacelles.

 

[Wurger]

Is this S-1? You yourself wrote that the S-1 has a different front turret from the others. So are the engine nacelles.

I think I know why you can't understand ... it is the matter of the different writing of letters in the Russian . So let me explain then .. the S means the Special ( Sonder in the German ). In Russian it is "Cпециальный" or "особенный". So your translator changes the latin letter "S" into the "C" used for the translation in the Russian Cyrillic.
The Fw200 coded F8+BW was the military version designed as the C-1. In the Russian it is "Ц-1" but not the "C-1" or "S-1" in the Latin writing.

 

[Stas1234]

I think I know why you can't understand ... it is the matter of the different writing of letters in the Russian . So let me explain then .. the S means the Special ( Sonder in the German ). In Russian it is "Cпециальный" or "особенный". So your translator changes the latin letter "S" into the "C" used for the translation in the Russian Cyrillic.
The Fw200 coded F8+BW was the military version designed as the C-1. In the Russian it is "Ц-1" but not the "C-1" or "S-1" in the Latin writing.

I still don't understand how to write... Fw 200 C-1, F8+BW 12./KG 40 ?

 

[Wurger]

I still don't understand how to write... Fw 200 C-1, F8+BW 12./KG 40 ?

So either use the latin writing "Fw 200C-1, F8+BW 12./KG 40" or the Russian one with the Cyrillic "Фв 200Ц-1, Ф8+БВ 12./КГ 40".

 

[Stas1234]

So either use the latin writing "Fw 200C-1, F8+BW 12./KG 40" or the Russian one with the Cyrillic "Фв 200Ц-1, Ф8+БВ 12./КГ 40".

How to translate D-ACON?

 

[Wurger]

How to translate D-ACON?
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The D-ACON is the aircraft registration like for the cars. The "D" means the Germany while the ACON is the registration code for the particular plane and is untranslatable . However if you want it to be written in with the Cyrillic it should be something like that ... Д-АКОН.

 

[SaparotRob]

How did the U.S. wind up with "N" in the registration?

 

[Wurger]

How did the U.S. wind up with "N" in the registration?

IIRC it is the international code that was given to the USA in 1919. Initially the USA had the K,W,N and A for the radio-communication. Because the K and W were already used for the naval communication and the A was used by the US Army and Government. So the N was the only free letter for the registration marking of the civilian planes.

 

[Stas1234]

IIRC it is the international code that was given to the USA in 1919. Initially the USA had the K,W,N and A for the radio-communication. Because the K and W were already used for the naval communication and the A was used by the US Army and Government. So the N was the only free letter for the registration marking of the civilian planes.

Wurger. I'm writing a little off topic. But I'll ask anyway. Do you have any photos that clearly show this emblem on the F-106A?