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Is that . . . is that a P-39?
How The U.S. Air Force’s Fork-Tailed P-38 Lightning Became Most Feared Aircraft Of World War II
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Is that . . . is that a P-39?
No, it's the 2022 virtue signaling, woke, tree hugging, sexually confused him/they/she non binary vegan brother/sister something??????
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So, a modern version of the P-39?
Barrett
Senior Airman
I've been unable to access Facebook for weeks now, but am fairly certain (up there with magnetism & gravity) that somewhere in the FB universe the Forktaileddevil is still being discussed alongside The Whole Nine Yards.
There seems zero doubt that FTD (no flowers!) originated with the Burbank PR shop the way Whistling Death originated with the Stratford F4U PR shop.
None of the Luftwaffe pilots I knew were aware of the FTD or Gabelschwanzwhatever moniker. Some experten snacked on P-38s for awhile before the US learned how to use 'em more effectively.
In researching the 15th AF book I found an undated letter from Col. Obie Taylor who rebuilt the 14th FG after N Africa. Long and detailed: he said that a 38 pilot needed about 50 percent more training than single-engines "after which he should be nearly unbeatable."
There seems zero doubt that FTD (no flowers!) originated with the Burbank PR shop the way Whistling Death originated with the Stratford F4U PR shop.
None of the Luftwaffe pilots I knew were aware of the FTD or Gabelschwanzwhatever moniker. Some experten snacked on P-38s for awhile before the US learned how to use 'em more effectively.
In researching the 15th AF book I found an undated letter from Col. Obie Taylor who rebuilt the 14th FG after N Africa. Long and detailed: he said that a 38 pilot needed about 50 percent more training than single-engines "after which he should be nearly unbeatable."
When will this ridiculous myth stop being spread?
When Youtube goes off line.
wingnuts
Airman 1st Class
I think the correct term for a spork is runcible spoon, as in the attached poem. The Owl and the Pussy-Cat by Edward Lear | Poetry Foundation
Runcible schwanz teufel? Mein Gott!!!!!
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I suspect that the only way to stop the "Fork Tail Devil" thing, is to go back in time and break Caidin's fingers so he couldn't type.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Don't forget the thumbs!
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Served with fava beans.
Shortround6
Major General
The first reference to this 'nick name' I have seen (maybe from newspaper or magazine articles ?) is in the pilots manual 51-127-1 published Aug 1 1945.
It is not in the 1942 manual. I don't know in between.
On page 6 of the manual with a bunch of short anecdotes how how tough the P-38 is this sentence.
" Dive-bombing, skip-bombing, and strafing became part of the day's work for "The Forked Devil" as the men of the Luftwaffe called the Lighting."
This is in the paragraph below this sentence " Said one bewildered Jap pilot: "two planes-one pilot!" "
Doesn't say forked-tail but it is close.
I would note the racial discrimination between the two quoted sentences.
Martin Caidin was 6 weeks short of his 18th birthday when that manual was printed.
However, one of his biographies says "Caidin started his literary career duing the early 1940s, working as a writer for several aviation magazines, including "Air News" and "Air Tech" (1943-1945)."
Did Caidin at 16 or 17 years old start the "forked devil" name in a magazine article or did he just copy it in later years?
He certainly has a few other things to answer for
It is not in the 1942 manual. I don't know in between.
On page 6 of the manual with a bunch of short anecdotes how how tough the P-38 is this sentence.
" Dive-bombing, skip-bombing, and strafing became part of the day's work for "The Forked Devil" as the men of the Luftwaffe called the Lighting."
This is in the paragraph below this sentence " Said one bewildered Jap pilot: "two planes-one pilot!" "
Doesn't say forked-tail but it is close.
I would note the racial discrimination between the two quoted sentences.
Martin Caidin was 6 weeks short of his 18th birthday when that manual was printed.
However, one of his biographies says "Caidin started his literary career duing the early 1940s, working as a writer for several aviation magazines, including "Air News" and "Air Tech" (1943-1945)."
Did Caidin at 16 or 17 years old start the "forked devil" name in a magazine article or did he just copy it in later years?
He certainly has a few other things to answer for
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
My Uncle Jimmy (USAAC/USAAF), in a letter to my Grandmother (his sister), stated he had completed his training in the "Fork Tail Devil".
It was sent to her in 1942.
By the way, for many years, I had his lapel pin that was a P-38 - it was silver and had the US insignia on one wing: a blue circle, white star and a meatball in the center.
It was sent to her in 1942.
By the way, for many years, I had his lapel pin that was a P-38 - it was silver and had the US insignia on one wing: a blue circle, white star and a meatball in the center.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I.E., before any enemy had enough experience fighting it to nickname it even as Americans were already hearing it, is what this implies to me.
wingnuts
Airman 1st Class
I did do a design for the P-38 a few years ago as a request, I didn't know the origins of the nickname, but it is what they wanted, I don't know where it was used, he was heavily into online gaming, it may have been used there.
The P-40 was also used in online gaming by another gamer
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
My guess, is Caidin overheard the Americans (who have nicknames for everything) and created a story.
His greatest fiction happens to be about a P-38, by the way - the love story of Regia Aeronautica Lt. Rossi and his deadly P-38...
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
He also claimed he saw "F-38s" being chopped up in South Korea a few months before the North attacked
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
To be fair, there were rumors of an Italian P-38 seen in the Italian skies.
That coupled with the actual captured P-38 the Col. Tondi flew until the engines fried due to to the poor quality Italian AvGas had to have been the basis of Caidin's fantasy story.
Tondi did down an American bomber, but that was a one-off and the P-38 simply did not survive long enough to perform the exploits Caidin went on about.
Interestingly enough, at the time of all these "mystery P-38" sightings, the Savoia Marchetti SM.91 was being trialled, which probably led to the confusion.
wuzak
Captain
I think 8th AF bomber crews would think that the big bad Focke Wulf was the most feared aircraft of WW2.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
What might 8AF bomber crews have thought of the Me 262 "Whattheheckwassat?"
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