ID of an airplane

hawkeye2an · Jun 28, 2025

This photo came up on a local (St Joseph, MO) Facebook Page. I am usually the guy that IDs airplanes for the group. I am fairly sure it is some type of Lincoln Standard. Any help?

Wurger · Jun 28, 2025

IIRC there has already been someone who asked obout the plane.

GrauGeist · Jun 28, 2025

Wurger said:
IIRC there has already been someone who asked obout the plane.

I agree - it was a few years back.

SaparotRob · Jun 28, 2025

And a few years back, it was identified as a….?

Wurger · Jun 28, 2025

SaparotRob said:
And a few years back, it was identified as a….?

As memo serves we didn't find any definitive answer at that time .

GrauGeist · Jun 28, 2025

Wurger said:
As memo serves we didn't find any definitive answer at that time .

I beleive we determined that it was a Lincoln-Standard L.S. 5:
ID neede

Wurger · Jun 29, 2025

That's true. We did. But there are still doubts .... anyway the aircraft has a lot in common with the Lincoln Standard kites judging by the shape of its basic parts..

SaparotRob · Jun 29, 2025

Something about the windows were in question, I think.

MikeMeech · Jun 29, 2025

hawkeye2an said:
This photo came up on a local (St Joseph, MO) Facebook Page. I am usually the guy that IDs airplanes for the group. I am fairly sure it is some type of Lincoln Standard. Any help?

Hi
This image of an Ansaldo A.300/C (page 393 of 'European Transport Aircraft since 1910' by John Stroud) appears not to be an exact fit for your image but it looks closer to it than the images on line for the Lincoln-Standard L.S.5:

Do you know the location of where your image was taken? There is the small airship shed behind the aircraft, are you sure it is in the USA? If not the search may have to be widened.

GrauGeist · Jun 29, 2025

MikeMeech said:
There is the small airship shed behind the aircraft, are you sure it is in the USA?

That's a Hay Barn, which were fairly large and common through the mid-west back then.

They were large enough, that an airplane could fly through them - hence the term "barn storming".

MikeMeech · Jun 29, 2025

GrauGeist said:
I beleive we determined that it was a Lincoln-Standard L.S. 5:
ID neede

Hi
Problem is the L.S.5, according to image on wiki, looks like this:

Mike

GrauGeist · Jun 29, 2025

MikeMeech said:
Hi
Problem is the L.S.5, according to image on wiki, looks like this:
View attachment 837236
Mike

There were so many custom variants, however.

The main items of focus, were the tail empanage, unique exhaust and the aerodynamic "tank" on the upper wing.

Here is a photo of another Lincoln-Standard L.S.5 (taken from the thread linked above):

MikeMeech · Jun 29, 2025

hawkeye2an said:
This photo came up on a local (St Joseph, MO) Facebook Page. I am usually the guy that IDs airplanes for the group. I am fairly sure it is some type of Lincoln Standard. Any help?

Hi
Another close but maybe not exact match in all respects appears to be the "modified Standard biplanes", wiki has an image:

This has a number of differences as can be seen, but another image from page 36 of 'Airlines of the United States since 1914' by R E G Davies, has slightly less differences:

But still not an exact match, it may depend on how many modifications this type had in its career or it may still be an entirely different type?

Mike

hawkeye2an · Jun 29, 2025

MikeMeech said:
Hi
Another close but maybe not exact match in all respects appears to be the "modified Standard biplanes", wiki has an image:
View attachment 837271
This has a number of differences as can be seen, but another image from page 36 of 'Airlines of the United States since 1914' by R E G Davies, has slightly less differences:
View attachment 837272
But still not an exact match, it may depend on how many modifications this type had in its career or it may still be an entirely different type?

Mike

The one I posted is a 2 1/2 bay plane and that is what's really throwing me. I know Lincoln-Standard out of Nebraska produce a lot of modified Standard aircraft and Rosecrans Field here in St Joe used a lot of them.

hawkeye2an · Jun 30, 2025

MikeMeech said:
Hi
Another close but maybe not exact match in all respects appears to be the "modified Standard biplanes", wiki has an image:
View attachment 837271
This has a number of differences as can be seen, but another image from page 36 of 'Airlines of the United States since 1914' by R E G Davies, has slightly less differences:
View attachment 837272
But still not an exact match, it may depend on how many modifications this type had in its career or it may still be an entirely different type?

Mike

The wing from that bottom one matches up well with my pic, closest thing I have seen, thanks

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