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It's noteworthy that the Venom of 1936 is 15% (40 mph) faster and climbs 150% (1,700 ft/m) faster than the Fulmar of 1940.I think it would have been better at the CAP role then a Fulmar.
It's noteworthy that the Venom of 1936 is 15% (40 mph) faster and climbs 150% (1,700 ft/m) faster than the Fulmar of 1940.
Though to be fair I'd want see the Venom weighed down with folding wings, arrestor hook, necessary structural reinforcements and (eventually) the RDF radio.
Okay, but that means the Nimrod soldiers on as the FAA's fighter until the Sea Hurricane enters service after the Battle of Britain. I'm a huge Nimrod fan, but I wouldn't want to be flying one in WW2.After all this back and forth, I'd still pick the Sea Hurricane.
I think it would have been better at the CAP role then a Fulmar.
Okay, but that means the Nimrod soldiers on as the FAA's fighter until the Sea Hurricane enters service after the Battle of Britain. I'm a huge Nimrod fan, but I wouldn't want to be flying one in WW2.
Thought solely of the Venom's rate of climb compared to the Fulmar. There was mention of the Seafire in another thread of its CAP/point defense abilities. In this scenario, no Sea Hurricanes or Seafires yet, right? I'm weak on the RAF/FAA. I figured the Venom, of which I wasn't even aware of before this thread, would outperform the as yet unavailable Fulmar.Not sure how?
Take-off, climb to 5000ft, circle the carrier twice, land, refuel, repeat.
Yes it is an exaggeration but you had crap for endurance (one source 50 Imp gallons of fuel) and a mystery engine that was not particularly reliable.
The Gloster F.9/37 was supposed to have some spectacular performance with a set of Taurus engines that disappeared and no production version came close to matching for the rest of the Taurus's lifetime/career which really makes one wonder about the Aquila used in the Venom.
True, and the fair comparison is the naval spec Sea Gladiator, not the Fulmar.The Venom has no ned for folding wings as it fits the lifts as it is.
Okay, but that means the Nimrod soldiers on as the FAA's fighter until the Sea Hurricane enters service after the Battle of Britain. I'm a huge Nimrod fan, but I wouldn't want to be flying one in WW2.
I can't imagine how that's realistically possible, but yes if the Sea Hurricane can be made in 1938 it would be the best. With Ark Royal entering service and the Illustrious class now building, both with narrow lifts it will be mandatory to have folding wings on the early Sea Hurricanes.Let's not wait until late 1940. Make them in late 1938 instead.
I can't imagine how that's realistically possible, but yes if the Sea Hurricane can be made in 1938 it would be the best. With Ark Royal entering service and the Illustrious class now building, both with narrow lifts it will be mandatory to have folding wings on the early Sea Hurricanes.
There are no Sea Gladiators. The FAA is flying Nimrods until we can replace them with something that is not a Gladiator. Maybe the AM and FAA totally screw it up and decide the Skua can be the fleet fighter.3 - it is mandatory that there are any Sea Gladiators, then we can thinker about folding their wings
There are no Sea Gladiators. The FAA is flying Nimrods until we can replace them with something that is not a Gladiator. Maybe the AM and FAA totally screw it up and decide the Skua can be the fleet fighter.
Critics here often post that the folding-wing Sea Hurricane would be too heavy for its early RR Merlin engine to compete in the early war years. But in this case we're replacing the 195 mph, two gun Hawker Nimrod, so the performance (and armament) jump will be noticeable.
Critics here often post that the folding-wing Sea Hurricane would be too heavy for its early RR Merlin engine to compete in the early war years
As long as it's less than 22 feet wide to accommodate the lifts on the new carriers.Hurricane was a lightweight aircraft to begin with. Wing fold needs to be in the line between flaps and ailerons, to keep the things as simple & light as possible.
As long as it's less than 22 feet wide to accommodate the lifts on the new carriers.
To me the easiest fold is at the wing roots, with the wings swinging straight up, and allowing the for the existing wing structure to be used. The folded aircraft will be tall, but we needn't worry about hangar height until the 14 ft clearance on the Implacable class.
Yes, I agree. Sea Hurricane without folding wings is fine for 5/7 of the RN's pre-war carriers. Just stick a hook and if necessary catapult fittings and you're set. It's amazing this wasn't done - clearly the AM wanted every aircraft for RAF Fighter Command.We are supposed to have an aircraft to be made and accepted instead of the historical choice, the Sea Gladiator. Even without folding wings, the Sea Hurricane can do it, and then some.
Yes, I agree. Sea Hurricane without folding wings is fine for 5/7 of the RN's pre-war carriers. Just stick a hook and if necessary catapult fittings and you're set. It's amazing this wasn't done - clearly the AM wanted every aircraft for RAF Fighter Command.