information on fw 200 F8+KR from KG 40? (1 Viewer)

[aurelien wolff]

Hello, for my birthday, I got the revell re release of the condor and I want to do the F8+KR to experiment with spaghetti but google isn't giving me much on that plane (tho I did found more on F8+FH, I do wonder what's the basis for the profiles to do the letters under the wings that way since it's not visible on the plane pictures). Is it possible to give me moore info on F8+KR and if possible, pictures? the previous edition also had yellow cowling as an option
Thanks for your answers, I plan to fully open one engine and maybe partly open another.

 

[Wurger]

The problem with the code letter at the undersides is that these weren't of too large size. So that may be the reason these aren't noticable. Generally on the 18th October 1939 the Stammkennzeichen was introduced. According to the rules it was used for transferring a plane from a factory to a squadron. It should be overpainted there and changed to the unit code. The unit workshop leader should inform the factory in 3 days that it was done and the factory Stammkennzeichen could be used for the next kite. And then the RLM rules for the kampfgeschwader markings had to be used. According to them the unit code should be applied on both fuselage sides and at the wing undersides. At the bottom of the wing the code had to be applied in form ... F+8 K+R getting started from the starboard wing for instance. If you have a look at the shots below you may notice that the rules were followed in the KG40 rather. Certainly the painting and markings of the LW planes especially at the end of war is a can of worms. Having no evidence the code wasn't there it would be better to applied it there. Just my two cents.

However it seems that not always the rules were in use. See below. I can't see any code at the underwings ...

the pic sources:

Focke Wulf Fw 200 Condor - new Osprey, Classic Pubs and Lela Presse titles due. First I./KG 40 Condor losses over Norway, April/May 1940 - Goss, Roba

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Transporter Fw 200 Condor TG 4 (KG 40 Verbandsabzeichen) Sonderkommando Condor

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Dornier Do217E Greens

I'm about to commence the painting of my Dornier project in the later war/maritime splinter scheme which calls for RLM72 and RLM73 which is fine apart from one question. The 'lighter' RLM73 actually looks more dense compared with the RLM72 and so I'm thinking I should spray the 72 first and then ...

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[aurelien wolff]

so I'll have to redo the letters no matter if I choose F8+KR or the other

 

[Wurger]

so I'll have to redo the letters no matter if I choose F8+KR or the other

Why do you need to redo the letters?

 

[aurelien wolff]

because revell did it like that and didn't provided the underside letter for the f8+FR , both in t he old and new edition

 

[Wurger]

because revell did it like that and didn't provided the underside letter for the f8+FR , both in t he old and new edition
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I see. However the marking layout could be possible. The small unit "F8" code on the fuselage indicates the late wartime (1944/1945). At that time the kind of markings on the wing could be possible because IIRC in July 1944 the Stammkennzeichen was given up and the serial became the aircraft registration. As a result there wasn't the need to replace it with the full unit code because it wasn't applied. It could result in applying of the individual aircraft letter only on the undersides, especially if the plane was re-painted in the squadron workshop.

 

[aurelien wolff]

so there's a possibility it was like what revell did?

 

[Wurger]

so there's a possibility it was like what revell did?

Yep .. that's very possible. Here below is a shot of the F8+FR ( believing the caption on the Asisbiz site) . Although the quality of the scan isn't the best it can be noticed that there wasn't any letter applied next to the LW cross seen on the bottom of the port wing. Instead of that we may notice something that looks like spots indicating the overpainting at the area. Ceratinly I can be wrong.

 

[aurelien wolff]

so all the profiles showing it with the underside letters are wrong for F8+FR and the revell underside K is valid?

 

[Wurger]

so all the profiles showing it with the underside letters are wrong for F8+FR and the revell underside K is valid?

IMHO not necessarily. For instance the F8+FR should have the F+R marking on the port wing applied. The colour of the "F" letter could be either black or white or yellow, depending on the staffel. In the pic above none of the spots seen at the undersides gets the shape of the letter. Just notice the black and the white colours of the LW cross and its shape there can be seen very well. So the difference between the RLM65 of the undersides and the possible colours of the letter should be seen making the letter noticable. But it is not. However it should be kept in mind that the Condor got the camouflage "updated" what may suggest removing of the underwing code and replacing it with the "simplified" one also known from other LW bombers eg.. Ju-88 or He-111.

To sume up .... I believe that having the standard RLM camo applied the F8+FR had the full code at the underwings. But when it was "updated" the code there could have been changed/overpainted and the individual aircraft letter as the code was applied there only. IMHO it depends on you only what code you decide to apply there. The version with the one code letter seems to be more attractive if compared to the standard RLM camo and markings for the Fw 200.

 

[aurelien wolff]

If I do it with spaghetti, then I can have F8+KR with only the K under the wings liek revell did?

 

[Wurger]

If I do it with spaghetti, then I can have F8+KR with only the K under the wings liek revell did?

I think yes, you can.