JU-87 R-2 T6+AN

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  1. Ikerus

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    I am looking for some info on this aircraft. I know it was in Libya late 1941 have a b&w pic along with a colorized one in the book Luftwaffe Colours Stuka Volume 2

    I am looking for the correct RLM colors for tan that would have been used to disrupt the standard 70/71. Also if there are other pictures that would show if the undersides of the wings had any markings besides the Balkenkreuz. The book mentioned above only has a side pic, so anything would be helpful on this.
     
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    #2 Wurger, Sep 27, 2016
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    I think you mean the plane....

    Ju_87R-2_T6-AN_Dec_1941_.jpg

    Ju_87R-2_T6-AN_Dec_1941_profile.jpg

    As far as the RLM tan colour is concerned... I found in a Luftwaffe im Focus that the sand paint was an Italian one called Giallo Mimetico. Infortunately there is a couple shades of the paint used each designated by a number and supplied to the Regia Aeronautica by four different manufacturers.. In the pic with the Stuka in, the paint tinge looks like being lighter than the German RLM79. Here I found a couple of the samples for these colours. Looking at the pic of the kite I would say it was the Giallo Mimetico 1. However it is possible the colour was the same sandy one used for Italian vehicles in 1941 that was approximately the FS 20260.


    Giallo Mimetico_a1.jpg Giallo Mimetico_a2.jpg

    Giallo Mimetico_b1.jpg Giallo Mimetico_b2.jpg

    Giallo Mimetico.jpg

    Regarding markings on wing undersides... although the shot below shows a couple of Ju-87s of the StG2 without any code letters there there can be seen the "J" letter on undersides of the Stuka in the second pic that was the manufacturer's code.

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    #3 Wurger, Sep 27, 2016
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    The enlarged pic of the T6+AN reveals something that may look like the "B" letter. So..it might have been the remnant of the the manufacturer's code too. However it could be the shadow of the bomb rack mounted close there as well. But it is too regular in the shape to be the shadow , IMHO.

    Ju_87R-2_T6-AN_Dec_1941_3.jpg
     
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    I've got a book on StG.2. I'll check through it tonight when I get home.
     
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    Thank you both for your answers.

    I look forward to hearing which book is on StG2
     
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    I have seen two publicatons about the squadron. Both are of the Kagero.

    big_ML21-StG2-okl-1.jpg
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    Thank you. I found the second one after a brief search the other one ok will have to continue to search for
     
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    That is exactly where the rack was positioned. Any letter would be positioned outboard of this. I can't see any evidence of under wing letters in that image.

    I have this image of the camouflage on the upper port wing of another aircraft, which might give some idea of what was applied.

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    I wonder what the evidence for the Italian colour is? It must be possible, but is there any real proof, or is this supposition? Generally I would expect the Luftwaffe personnel to use paints with which they were familiar, assuming they were available.

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    #10 Wurger, Sep 27, 2016
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    Here is a pic of a Ju-87 coded T6+M with a similar camo. The top wing layout of spots can be seen partially too.
    Ju87R2Trop-StG2-(T6+M)-Mediterranean-Coastline-NorthAfrica-20af+s.jpg
    Ju87R2Trop-StG2-(T6+M)-Mediterranean-Coastline-North-Africa-20.jpg

    Also the port side of the same kite I think..

    Ju87R2Trop-StG2-(T6+M)-Mediterranean-Coastline-North-Africa-21.jpg
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    #11 Wurger, Sep 27, 2016
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    Here is the part of Axel Urbanke's article "Die Schlangen-Stukas des St.G. 2." published in the Luftwaffe im Focus 7/2005. I think it is the source for most statements that can be found.

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    Thanks. I'll take his word for when the 'tropical' colours were introduced :)
    Cheers
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    So if it were an RLM color which sand color would it be?
     
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    RLM 79.

    It's what I used on this old 21st Century Ju 87, several years ago.

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    I probably lightened it a bit. There's no point in over thinking the colour, it was a sand colour and given the references we have everybody is guessing.
    Here's the photgraph of the original aircraft which I was attempting to replicate with my model.

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    #16 Wurger, Sep 27, 2016
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    I found an image of the T6+AN plane of alittle bit better quality. And here is enlarged pic of the undersides

    Ju-97 T6+AN_1.jpg
    Ju-97 T6+AN_1a.jpg
    ju-97-t6-an_1b.jpg
     
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    Steve,

    I would say you were spot on! Great job!

    Regards, Jim
     
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    Well it does look like there is a letter under the wing. I'm leaning more to the no snake version of the paint job to make it a little easier on me
     
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    Accoording. to other net sources the "snake" was on the port side only

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    Caption says, "Ju 87 R-2 StG.2 sand camouflage imposed on European standard (RLM 70/71/65)"
     
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