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dopn't think Ostmark was ever actually tooled up to produce Jumo 222s. Or at least it was converted to DB 603 before the proses was complete.
How was it any different than the Napier Sabre? That engine was just fine after the initial hiccups were worked out.I dopn't think Ostmark was ever actually tooled up to produce Jumo 222s. Or at least it was converted to DB 603 before the proses was complete. Regardless of whether or not the Jumo 222 was considered production ready, the sheer size and complexity of the crankcase casting could have been grounds for cancellation. Most certainly it would have made the unmitigated disaster that Ostmark was even worse.
This seems a little too simplistic and pat. It also seems to assume that the both the Ju288 and Jumo222 were without any problems that could not be easily solved. Politics may very well have been involved but even in politics you need a germ of truth or an excuse.
1937-start of work on the Jumo 222 engine
1938-planning work on the EF-73 project which becomes the basis for the Bomber B specification issued in July 1939.
Specification calls for a 600kph speed ( 373mph) and a bomb load of 4000kg (8820lbs) to be carried to any part of Great Britain form bases in France or Norway ( at least according to one source). Two 2500hp class engines are specified. Please compare specified performance to what the Douglas A-26 was able to achieve in 1943-44.
May 1939 sees H. Hertel leave Heinkel and join Junkers to oversee the EF 73 project. The Jumo 222 ran for the first time on a test stand the moth before. The EF 73 has an extensively glazed pressurized cockpit and remote control gun barbettes. The RLM requests (among other things) a larger wing and a change in the gun barbettes.
By the end of May 1940 a full mock up of the fuselage has been inspected and orders are given for 3 prototypes ( Junkers had already begun cutting metal) fuel tanks in wings and fuselage are to house 5360 liters ( 1416 US gallons again compare to A-26) of fuel.
Now 1940 is were things get a little strange, The Jumo 222 makes it's first flight Nov 3 1940 in the nose of a Ju 52. JU 288 V1 flies for the first time Nov 29 1940 using BMW 801 engines. The V2, V3 and V4 follow from March until May of 1941, The Jumo 222 is flown supposed to have passed it's type test in May of 1941? The JU 288 V5 with Jumo 222s flies Oct 1941 but ignition troubles keep engines from developing full power.
It is at this point that politics may or may not rear it's head. Plans had been made to produce 380 planes a month. The RLM now changes to the 4 man cockpit and other changes, including a yet bigger wing, which is tested on V6 with Jumo 222 engines (Jan 1942) and is lost due to engine fire. The V7 goes goes back to BMW 801s and seriously under powered it too is lost due to an engine fire. The V8 is flown with Jumo 222 engines as is the V9 in May 1942 (prototype for the B series). March of 1942 had seen orders for the production of the Ju 288 go ahead but by November the the numbers were cut to 35 aircraft due to the problems with the Jumo 222 engine, the C and D versions not performing satisfactorily and the engine project is back in development. The Ju 288 V10 flies in Jan 1943 with a pair of BMW 801TJ ( turbo-charged) engines. Earlier flights were made by the V11 and V13 with DB 606 engines in July and Sept 1942. The V12 and V 14 were the last Ju 288s powered by Jumo 222 engines.
I would note that they were using 1600hp BMW 801 engines for test flying instead of not only the later 2500hp Jumo 222 models but the earlier 2000hp models that some people seem to think were production ready ( or even built in a small production batch/s)
According to this account 6 Ju 288 prototypes flew with Ju 222 engines. It could be in error.
Again try compare what they were trying for to the A-26. More bombs, more fuel, a pressure cabin and more speed ( maybe achievable at the higher altitude ?) and they started 2 years earlier. By the time they got done (and saddled the plane with DB 610 engines) they had a plane that weighed more empty than the A-26 was supposed to weigh ready for take-off ( A-26 cheats as the difference between normal and Max weight is an easy 8,000lbs or so).
The Specification was too big a leap for the technology of the time which lead to an extended development time. The Initial design (EF 73) had a wing span smaller than an "A-20" but wanted 4 times the bomb load and more range ( fuel ) and used more powerful engines. Were ALL of the RLM requests political meddling or an attempt to bring the "design" somewhat closer to service requirements?
There were not many Jumo-222A1 produced and the A1V-11 to A1V-16 were worked very hard in the trials, logging several hundred hours of flight. A document dated to 18th of oct. 1943 lists the Ju-288V05 with it´s n´th set of engines stationed at JUMO and given care and maintenance. Most of the JUMO-222 which were produced were of -A3 subvariants and late -E2/F2 subvariants for which after start of the Jägernotprogramm all suitable carriers were canceled from production list while single engined projects with JUMO-222 were not yet developed to the degree to carry this engine.I would note that they were using 1600hp BMW 801 engines for test flying instead of not only the later 2500hp Jumo 222 models but the earlier 2000hp models that some people seem to think were production ready ( or even built in a small production batch/s)
The Ju88 was also in production in 1940, whats the point? Both are a generation older than the Ju-288. And a generation between 1938 and 1942 means quite a lot in terms of technical capabilities.The A-20 was a "technically greatly inferior airplane design" BUT it was in production in 1940 and I only used it to serve as a bench mark for what the Germans were trying to do. More speed, quadruple the bomb load and longer range in a similar size (but not weight ) aircraft. It certainly does require a more advanced aircraft.
A 2000kg payload at the speeds and ranges requested would have been pretty challenging, trying for 4000 kg bomb load? The A-26 used a similar sized wing to the 288B and used a Laminar flow airfoil and double slotted flaps ( I know it is not true laminar flow but it was about the best air foil around at the time of it's design) and had 2000hp engines, a smaller bomb load and less fuel. You are going to need a really advanced aircraft to beat it for speed, range (fuel capacity) and larger bomb load while using the SAME power engines, yet the RLM is blamed for wanting 2500hp engines to meet the performance specifications.
True. but I really suggest You consult Prof. Budraß work. Just look at the critical decision making timeline between the suicide of Ernst Udet in nov. 1941 and Milch´s decision to change engine and airframe requirements in order to stop production in dec, the same year. The program was costly because of Milch´s repeated changing requirements which made sure it will never proceed beyond prototype stage. To many minutes noted how these changes compromised the performance envelope and had to be adressed by time consuming changes again... Just look how the project grew in size:A long, costly and complicated development program IS much more subject to political interference.
Agreed but in defense of Junkers, the general trend was to go for higher wingload as it represents a tradeoff for better flight performance. The step was already taken by Messerschmidt with his Bf-109 earlier, the Focke-Wulf and Heinkel companies had very good experiences with this approach from various A/C projects, too but the Junkers company was rather late in applying this step. The approach was endorsed by Udet. Milch just rejected it.It might have been if they left a few things out. You have a about 58lb per sq ft of wing area with a 'Normal" loaded weight of 33850lbs. The Whole bomber "B" program was way too much of trying to be "all things to all men". A less ambitious plane might have succeeded with the original Jumo 222 engines.
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Nope,
Ostmark was tooled up for the Jumo 222 inclusive all sub companys, which delivers fuel injections, supercharger and so on.
This was one of the reasons that the change of Ostmark to retool to the DB 603 cost two years.
The Ju88 was also in production in 1940, whats the point? Both are a generation older than the Ju-288. And a generation between 1938 and 1942 means quite a lot in terms of technical capabilities.
Sorry, but I do not have copy of the specification Just books that apparently have it wrong. I stand corrected. But is speaks to the confusion about the Ju 288 and the Jumo 222 engine.
If you wish go from the JU-88A-1. Wing about the same size and span (or with a few %) The 288 was to go from 1680 liters of fuel in the wing to 3560 liters and while the older plane could put another 1880 liters in the bomb bay (totally blocking it) the 288 was supposed to hold another 1800 liters in the fuselage without blocking the bomb bay (unless this book is in error and this tankage does block the bomb bay), this is while upping the bomb load by at least 50% (or 100%?) , fitting heavier defensive armament, the Pressure cabin and the heavier engines. And requiring about a 33% increase in speed. AND the first couple of 288 prototypes had dive brakes.
It is a wonder they didn't require it to tell jokes and wash windows
there is also the lower blister, and top of the crew compartment is well above fuselage, so IMO there is no advantage in streamlining vs. A-26 front crew compartment
The Germans seem to have had landing gear problems, perhaps the allies had just as many and they are just not chronicled as much? But many German programs had numbers of prototypes damaged or destroyed by landing gear failures. The Ju 288 program had about 50% of the aircraft damaged/destroyed by landing gear problems, how much this was caused by compact/light landing gear trying to handle a heavy hot airplane I don't know ( and I may be reaching).
It may be pure speculation on my part but perhaps the RLM wanted bigger wings to help with field performance? Much like the Martin B-26 had both a larger wing and a change in wing incidence to help with field performance although the USAAC was willing to sacrifice flight performance to get it ( and not demand more powerful engines to get the flight performance back)
I think they were used. The V05 alone supposedly made 1200 hours to nov 1943. This requires 2400 engine hours or about 12 engines with appox. 100 hours each between MOT and supplied back a second time. It actually was more because a couple of them were wrecked in the testing program.If there were even a couple dozen A?B engines sitting around in 1942/43 and they were good for 30-50 hours why weren't they being used for prototype flying?