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Just thinking about it, the more you actually try to aim at a target rather than just laying down fire at a moving target the more likely you are to just fly into what you are trying to shoot. I was once (only once) enjoying life on an Autobahn at 140MPH when a Sunday driver pulled across two lanes at about 60MPH, to overtake the truck that was also overtaking a truck. In seconds a clear road became blocked and that 80MPH difference in speed was huge, when the Sunday driver first moved it was at the limit of my vision, seconds later I nearly hit him or her.Forgot that the numbers I gave were for closing from 6 oclock on the bomber, from head on the closing wound be at about 300yds per second.
You are quite right, a fraction of a second at the correct distance to actually get hits.
I'm not sure I can agree with that, P-51's seemed to be able to shoot down Bf-109's of any marque at any altitude, I've never read an encounter report where the Mustang driver said that he "didn't engage because a 109K was attacking the bomber stream at 20,000 feet so... no joy, you guys are on your own".
Also the B-24's operating at roughly the same altitude, so referencing an earlier post, both the Lanc and the Lib had a 3.4% loss rate if I'm not mistaken, so... ?
I can see your point about adding some armor perhaps, but was the Lanc so flimsy it needed an extra half ton or so of it? Still not sold that the .303 would need to be replaced but perhaps so, I don't have a good enough frame of reference for that to make a judgement.
Buff makes a good point in the difference in tactics betwixt the USAAF and the RAF, which if we're talking a switch to escorted daylight bombing, the RAF may have to rethink it's position on the BOX v STREAM point.
I think I am right is saying that the other big advantage of this turret was that the gunner had the parachute in the turret with him and could bale out more easily, significantly increasing the gunners chances of surviving. Indeed he could dive out between the guns saving a lot of time.
So my view the Lancaster could be modified: 50 caliber guns on the rear, at least 1000lbs of additional armour. So long as they avoided the heaviest FLAK and had an escort and did not attempt to deep a penetration deep into Germany they could work.
Deep penetration raids against a functioning Luftwaffe would need two stage Merlins and likely formation flying and a copilot.
To be honest, once the cannon shells and Flak start hitting the aircraft, the armor is for the most part, useless.
The armor behind the pilot doesn't prevent shrapnel from coming up from underneath or down from above and the 30mm Minengeschoss rounds would easily pass through the fuselage and detonate within, sending splinters in all directions.
Basically what they did with those carrying the Grand Slam, 5 man crew and one turret, apparently they were great to fly back from a mission.Go the other way. Strip all armour and armament, cut crew to the minimum and fit high altitude Merlin's. An early V bomber.
Basically what they did with those carrying the Grand Slam, 5 man crew and one turret, apparently they were great to fly back from a mission.
A 1cm thick 1 square meter armour plate weighs 72kg about 150lbs.
Dorsal gunner. Id wrap a 2m by 90cm deep plate around in a 2/3rds circle about 1m diameter him so he is only exposed forward. I would give him armoured back rest and seat pan and a small shield that rotates with him. There is probably 200lbs there. It will also stop shells that enter the aircraft.
Rear Gunner. He gets a nice thick 15mm chunk in front of him, armoured seat and back.
Pilots get armoured seats, backrests, head armour and sides.
You can do a lot with 1000lbs on top of the 600lbs that is already there. I estimate 150lbs per crew member plus 600lbs for aircraft vitals.
Pretty much what the pilots said. They had Merlin 24 engines and had all the radios and lots of other stuff taken out including bomb doors of course. Obviously not like a fighter but a massive change from a standard Lanc. I just read this morning about a pilot whose first mission with 617 sqdrn was to drop one on submarine pens. Dropping the bomb would be dangerous to the crew if they weren't braced for it, the plane leapt 250ft upwards, after that it was like a toy.Must have been like driving a sports car