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It's a bit complicated for a full a story as a forum post, but broadly device intervals in Germany went from 200 h in say 1939 to less than 50h in 1944/45. Mostly materials and oil related. Jumo 213 is the only one capable of tuning for something like Reno. 3000hp would be very easy indeed. I think something to win Reno would need the 4 valve 213j head to be used. 4500rpm should be viable with 213j parts (of which there is probably one set in the world left, and no drawings...Hi pbehn,
Making a block strong enough for the bores has been with us since internal combustion engines. They knew the strength of the metal they were using, certainly.
When Chevrolet went from a 350 cubic inch V8 to a 400 cubic inch V8 on the same block, the metal was strong enough, but they then didn't have room for coolant spaces between the center wo cylinders, so the 400 always ran hot there. Being strong enough and being able to cool it sufficiently are not the same subject.
I think the DB 605 overhaul times were fairly low, I seem to recall they started at something like 100 hours and got to something like 200 hours. I am NOT very sure why German engineers set the overhaul interval so low, but I have seen quality of metal out forth as one reason. Whether or not that is the real reason is another question. The engineering for the DB series engines was first class; ditto the Jumos. Perhaps it was just being conservative.
Maybe our German members know, or maybe Snowygrouch knows ... ?
Hi pbehn,
Making a block strong enough for the bores has been with us since internal combustion engines. They knew the strength of the metal they were using, certainly.
When Chevrolet went from a 350 cubic inch V8 to a 400 cubic inch V8 on the same block, the metal was strong enough, but they then didn't have room for coolant spaces between the center wo cylinders, so the 400 always ran hot there. Being strong enough and being able to cool it sufficiently are not the same subject.
I think the DB 605 overhaul times were fairly low, I seem to recall they started at something like 100 hours and got to something like 200 hours. I am NOT very sure why German engineers set the overhaul interval so low, but I have seen quality of metal out forth as one reason. Whether or not that is the real reason is another question. The engineering for the DB series engines was first class; ditto the Jumos. Perhaps it was just being conservative.
Maybe our German members know, or maybe Snowygrouch knows ... ?
It's a bit complicated for a full a story as a forum post, but broadly device intervals in Germany went from 200 h in say 1939 to less than 50h in 1944/45. Mostly materials and oil related. Jumo 213 is the only one capable of tuning for something like Reno. 3000hp would be very easy indeed. I think something to win Reno would need the 4 valve 213j head to be used. 4500rpm should be viable with 213j parts (of which there is probably one set in the world left, and no drawings...
Principally by employing an oil centrifuge and nose fed crank oil system.How did Junkers develop an engine capable of such high piston velocities? I came across an old German text (google boobs I think) once which used pistons of the DB604 as an example. They weren't cylindrical but slightly convex and possibly ovoid.
I seem to remember many years back, a group in Minnesota began restoration of a D-9 and it's Jumo. The goal was to return it to flight. As I remember, the comment about the engine was it had babbitt bearings and was going to require much machining to get it to take replaceable bearings. The article said that may be why a 25 hour TBO by the Germans was required.
This is an interesting question. I'm not an A&P or fuel guy so take this with a grain of salt. This reminds me of a TV show my son and I used to watch on Saturday mornings which was focused on hot rodding and auto performance. Not one of those lets make it look cool shows, these guys were very much focused on the technical aspects of performance. They did a multipart series on "modernizing" a 1950's era performance engine and seeing what the possible improvements would be. They stuck with the block, the basic architecture of the engine, but that was about it. They were able to improve the crankshaft by making it lighter, but the real improvements were all found in areas where science has given us a better understanding of fluid dynamics or advanced control. After each improvement they ran the engine on a dynamometer to see what had been achieved. The biggest jump came with improved cylinders, cylinder heads and the manifold. IRIC correctly, that more than doubled the HP output. Later, they modded the engine from carburetor to injection also with an improvement and then supercharging. Each subsequent step brought improvements but at a lesser rate. The last episode my son and I watched they were planning on trying to convert it electronic ignition and control which they pointed out was the biggest improvement in engine technology in the last couple of decades. My guess is that with a similar mindset you could get your target of 1800 HP but the merlin might look a bit different. I imagine that a modernized Merlin would involve similar steps.
I learned to drive on a '68 Sedan deVille. I named her Star Ship Potemkin. When carrying passengers, I would imitate Lt. Pavel Chekov when speaking.
I'm also very fond of the '66 GTO. ( Peeking through the Buick's backlight)