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And more a reason why another liquid wouldn't be welcomed aboard an aircraft carrier, at least a US one...In most carriers water was let into the fuel bilges for ballast because fuel floats on the water. It works except in violent seas when flying wouldn't be happening anyway. I realize bilges are planned out. What I was saying is simply that if they wanted to emplane liquid-cooled aircraft, they'd have to allow bilge space for coolant ... or space above the bilges, and I cannot see a way around that statement.
Ditto aboveYou can't fly liquid cooled planes and expect the same coolant they emplane with to be used for the entire cruise. They lose some due to leaks and they also loose some due to maintenance. You MUST be able to replace it so the plane can fly.
How did the Brits manage the coolant issue on their carriers?
AFAIK they built stores for the coolant. Their decks were armored too!
Keep in mind that the U.S. Navy had 8 aircraft Carriers in service by 7 December 1941 and one more commissioned on 30 December, 1941.How did the Brits manage the coolant issue on their carriers?
Greg, I was in the Navy - 1,500 gallons of extra anything would not be welcomed aboard ship - PERIOD. You're entitled to your opinions, I know Airdales who served aboard ships during WW2, mention glycol, they'll roll their eyes and say "that's stuff for the air force."This is plain silly. The Lexington had displacement of 36,578 tons and a full load displacement of 43,757 tons. If they had needed , say, 1500 gallons of coolant, it could have been EASILY done. The only quesiton is what goes in it and where is it placed.
I cannot see the argument about glycol being hazmat. They didn't know what hazmat WAS in those days. They knew what they needed and how to handle it. It wasn't a tough thing to accomplish. 1,500 gallons of coolant would NOT take up much room or displacement. The ONLY question would be where to put it and what gets bumped.
1,500 gallons is only about 200 cubic feet or 5.7 cubic meters. I can find 200 cubic feet on a 150 foot boat. It's 10 feet by 10 feet by 2 feet. If that is gonna' break the bank, sink the damed thing and be done with it. Make the wardroom 2 feet smaller. The ONLY reason they didn't do it is because the people who made the decisions loved air-cooled radials, not for any hazmat or storage reasons.
Get real and stop thinking like the EPA was around. It wasn't and NOBODY was worried about coolant storage. They were worried about what engine was best for Naval aviation and only that. If there wasn't a hose to deliver it, they could always use buckets. There was PLENTY of labor around. Sailor labor was "disposable" at that time.
Avgas was stored in eight compartments of the torpedo protection system, and their capacity has been quoted as either 132,264 US gallons (500,670 l; 110,133 imp gal) or 163,000 US gallons (620,000 l; 136,000 imp gal).[11]
Just to put into a perspective how much the 1500 gals of anything is compared with Avgas stored in Lex Sara (from Wikipedia article about Lex):
1500 gals of coolant means such big ship will carry roughly 1% less Avgas.
Er no - they make orders!!! In the US Navy Chiefs (E-7 and above) carry more weight then some officers in other branches of the military. I suggest you read about the US Navy and how it runs, some of my fellow sailors on here could attest to this.Maintenance chief will surely follow orders.
I admit that I'm not that fluent in US military designations.
Do we have any informations how this or that chief felt when in 1944 they were informed they will need to find the place for 1000, or 1500, or maybe 2000 gals of ADI fluid, that was chemically similar to the coolant? Including the chiefs on the tiny escort carriers operating FM-2s (500-1000 gals here?), and still small light carriers?
Fifty Hellcats can consume ~800 gals of ADI in one sortie each.
I could see a maintenance Chief blowing his top over that!
Liquid cooled engines typically are built to tighter clearances (less thermal expansion) and typically are more aerodynamic. As such, they should get significantly better fuel economy. Net impact on fuel utilization might well be positive with liquid cooled engines.
Might want to check with the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy for their opinion...Liquid cooled engines typically are built to tighter clearances (less thermal expansion) and typically are more aerodynamic. As such, they should get significantly better fuel economy. Net impact on fuel utilization might well be positive with liquid cooled engines.
Might want to check with the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy for their opinion...