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Resp:That old business about the Allison V-1710 engine not being supercharged has been making the rounds for a long time. And it is pure BS. The Allison in the P-39, P-40 and P-51 was supercharged to the same degree that the Merlin was in the Hurricanes and the Spitfires Mk I, IA, II and V.
But the Allison did not have a two speed supercharger, which limited it's performance in some respects. The A-36 had the Allison set up to maximize its performance at about 5,000 ft while the P-51A had it set up for max speed at 20,000 ft.
The P-38 had two stages of supercharging, the built in supercharger of the Allisons each being fed by a turbosupercharger.
In the case of the V-1710 in the P-39, P-40, and P-51, there was no supercharger "On/Off" switch, unlike some of the earlier Merlin installations and that may have led some pilots to conclude it did not have one. Also, the XP-39 initially had a turbosupercharger feeding the Allison's internal supercharger, but it was deleted when they found that the installation actually was slower than just the Allison by itself. Some writers later concluded that the USAAC had the turbo deleted due to a desire to emphasize low altitude performance but nothing could be further from the truth. The Army Air Corps emphasized high altitude performance.
The V-1710 in the P-63 had an additional stage of supercharging using an auxiliary supercharger run off the starter interface to substitute for the turbo; it used a hydromatic automatic transmission to vary supercharging.
Yes, and the Brits were buying Lightning I's, which were equipped with the C series Allisons, as was the Hawk 81's they were buying in large numbers, and they probably were thinking in terms of better logistics.
Resp:Yes, and the Brits were buying Lightning I's, which were equipped with the C series Allisons, as was the Hawk 81's they were buying in large numbers, and they probably were thinking in terms of better logistics.
I'm not bragging ... well, maybe just a little ... but the Telegram, whose top part (it's from Dutch Kindelberger to Col Arthur Ennis) was emailed to me by the Historical Archivist at Boeing in April, 2019. Because I'd been corresponding with him on other Mustang-related subjects, he occasionally emailed me scans of anything and everything pertaining to the Mustang family. I received the Telegram along with a scan of the cover of the Parts Catalog for the A-36A. It says "A-36A Mustang," by the way.That was the only part of it I saw, maybe the rest of it or the whole thing is floating around the net somewhere.
Why do we have three different Mustang Models here???North American A-36A Mustang > National Museum of the United States Air Force™ > Display
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Resp:Why do we have three different Mustang Models here???
The top on shows NA-91 Mustang Mk IAs (RAF) / P-51 Apache (before being modified to P-51-1-NA, P-51-2-NA, F-6A and XP-51B aircraft)
The 2nd photo is the A-36A Mustang at the National Museum of the US Air Force.
The 3rd photo is the A-36A Mustang owned and flown by the Collings Foundation.
The 4th photo is one of the XP-51 aircraft, pulled from the NA-73 batch intended for the RAF. This photo is from (I believe) the Summer of 1943 and is XP-51 SN 41-039.
I'm confused as to just why these are posted without an explanation that I can understand.Maybe I'm just dense!
Resp:May 29, 1940 - British Government places first order for the Allison Mustang, comprising 320 aircraft to the NAA designation NA-73, which were allocated the AG series serials in RAF service. Under the contract, first delivery to be by January 1941. Purchased and paid for by the British Government. Delivery under terms of contract is acceptance at factory and safe delivery to port of departure in the USA, when the crated aircraft then becomes the property of the British Government.
September 24, 1940, British Government places second order was for an additional 300 aircraft to the NAA designation NA-83, which were allocated AL, AM and AP series serials in RAF service. Purchased and paid for by the British Government. Production and delivery to follow on immediately to first order.
March 11, 1941, the Lend Lease Act came into force in the USA - this well pre-dates Pearl Harbor and the US entry into the war. This meant any additional orders that the RAF wanted to place was then required to be placed in accordance with the arrangements for Lend Lease. This meant the aircraft would be manufactured under an order from the US Government and as such it had to have a US Military designation for the aircraft.
So on September 25, 1941 the USAAF ordered 150 aircraft to meet a RAF specification, which would be the NAA designation NA-91 and which would be allocated serials in the FD serial range in RAF service. As the aircraft were ordered under USAAF arrangements they were also given US serial blocks and the USAAF designation P-51. In RAF service the NA-91 would be the Mustang Mk.IA. Of the 150 aircraft produced, 93 would be delivered to the RAF, the remainder being retained by the USAAF. Timing for this additional order is interesting as it is made around the same time the acceptance flight testing program of the NA-73/Mustang Mk.I was completed at NAA and the first aircraft was accepted by the RAF, crated and commenced its journey to the UK. So in light of the positive initial results, they wanted to order more.
Production of the NA-91 had not yet commenced at the time of the US entry into the war in December 1941, the production line was still manufacturing the last of the NA-73 production run and the start of the NA-83 production run for the RAF. Production of the NA-91 commenced immediately upon completion of the NA-83 order - actually with the last of the NA-83 going off the end of the line as the first of the NA-91 started coming down the start of the line.
The shortfall in the original order for the NA-91/Mustang Mk.IA aircraft to the RAF would be made up by the later delivery of 50 P-51A/Mustang Mk.II aircraft in late 1943 to early 1944.
A-36 in RAF service, if it had been accepted, had proposed designation of "Mustang Mk.I (Dive Bomber)".
That's the initial British ordering timeline and numbers.
Resp:I always go back to my primary source, Air Ministry and BPC files held in the UK Archives. The original two orders for the 620 Mustang Mk.I aircraft - NA73 and NA-83 - predates Lend Lease. It was a contract between NAA and the UK Government on a commercial basis, same as they had for the original Harvard Mk.I order from pre-War. So at that stage everything the British were contacting for and purchasing was purely on a "cash and carry" basis. It was why by the time that Lend Lease came in, the British had seriously depleted their foreign currency reserves and the various arrangements for trading 99 year leases on locations of interest to the US and other measures came into play including the sharing of UK developed technology.
It is the third order for the Mustang Mk.IA, the original P-51, NA-91 that the US paid for as a part of the Lend Lease arrangements and why after Pearl Harbor and the rapid expansion of US forces that the USAAF felt they could hold back for their own use some of those aircraft. I can tell you that in the UK files that the Air Ministry were less than impressed by that, especially as the senior command of the USAAF up to that point had done very little to support production of the Mustang for the RAF - issues with priority over materials, supply of engines, putting pressure on NAA management, etc.
I should note that I've also had access to some material from the US and NAA side of the process which backs up - sometimes with a different view of events - what is in the UK files as part of the process of reviewing the drafts of a book being written by two US authors/researchers on the origins, design and development of the Mustang which is due out first half of 2020. Very detailed, quotes lots of original source documents verbatim.
So I don't know where the other author has come up with the idea that either of the first two orders for the Mustang Mk.I were paid for by anyone other than the British. Maybe they have confused the purchasing arrangements for the P-51/Mustang Mk.IA/NA-91.
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Thanks much. I expect that the author assumed or extrapolated incorrectly . . . since the US held back the second order for British service. There is much misinformation in print/web inre to Allison engined Mustangs. I have found unit info from various US units that clearly lists incorrect info, particularly photo captions.
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