glennasher
Senior Airman
Let's not forget the Colt 1911 pistol, which was "decommissioned" in 1985, but within the past few years, has been reactivated for service with certain USMC units.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Soviet TB-3 four engined bomber was retired from service in 1939 after almost 10 years of service.
When Germany attacked the Soviet Union 1941, the TB-3 was called back to service and performed a wide range of duties until the end of WWII.
There were 536 TB-3 aircraft at the start of the war and by the end of hostilities, there were only 10 still in operation.
When Germany attacked the Soviet Union 1941, the TB-3 was called back to service and performed a wide range of duties until the end of WWII.
There were 536 TB-3 aircraft at the start of the war and by the end of hostilities, there were only 10 still in operation.
USS Buchanan/HMS Campbelltown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Buchanan_(DD-131)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stockton_(DD-73)
This one, USS Stockton/HMS Ludlow was beached not far from where I used to live in Scotland. it was placed on Dirleton Sands (the wiki entry is slightly misleading) and was used as a target for rocket firing Beaufighters of 132 OTU to practise against. The ship was scrapped post war, but its keel can be seen in the sand at low tide.
Interesting.
Are they actually reactivating previously decommissioned 1911's, or are these new pistols?
Back in the 80's there was so much hullabaloo about how "worn out" the 1911's were.
wuzak
Captain
It's replacement isn't quite ready (ie the F-35).
fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
Fixed that for you
The An-2, our best bomber in 1991:
More pics:
Otvoreni maketarski forum :: Vidi temu - An-2, what if
More pics:
Otvoreni maketarski forum :: Vidi temu - An-2, what if
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The French Renault FT tank of WWI was long obsolete by the time WWII broke out. It was in many military inventories, in most cases as a "material reserve" that ended up in action at the onset of WWII.
yulzari
Tech Sergeant
I have mentioned it elsewhere before (threads re USM) but all the RAF ex front line aeroplanes sent to second line use (eg Harts and Wallaces) as trainers, target tugs and Anti Aircraft Cooperation Units etc. were reissued bomb racks and to be brought back into front line use in 1940 for ground attack in the event of invasion. Fortunately they were never so called upon.
glennasher
Senior Airman
There is/was a contract for Colt to deliver 5000 new pistols, and some units are still using WWII stuff that's been rebuilt a bunch of times. I can attest to the WWII guns being worn-out, the 1911 I was issued during my '77-'81 years in the 82nd Abn Div was inoperable, but SOME of them were still working well enough I could qualify Expert several times. I bought myself a Commander model to carry if the SHTF, as I knew I'd be in deep stuff with the issue gun.
Around 1990, when I was helping run an IPSC pistol club, we had a couple of guys from Bragg come to one of our matches, and they were using GI guns. Both of them died in Mogadishu a bit later. Delta let the shoot matches with issue weapons, to enhance their skills.
The new pistols are called M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol (CQBP):
Colt M45 CQBP - Personal Defense World
There are also plenty of examples of the 1911 being manufactured in more original form:
( Guns Australia January-March 2014 )
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
That is cool as I really prefer the .45 over the 9mm.
During the Philippine-American War the .38 Long Colt was considered inadequate to put down fanatical Muslims.
On January 14, 1985, during the Cold war, the 9mm was officially adopted.
Now history repeats itself, and the 9mm is considered inadequate to put down fanatical Muslims.
From Wikipedia:
American units fighting Moro guerrillas during the Philippine-American War using the then-standard Colt M1892 revolver, in .38 Long Colt, found it to be unsuitable for the rigors of jungle warfare, particularly in terms of stopping power, as the Moros had very high battle morale and frequently used drugs to inhibit the sensation of pain.The U.S. Army briefly reverted to using the M1873 single-action revolver in .45 Colt caliber, which had been standard during the late 19th century; the heavier bullet was found to be more effective against charging tribesmen. The problems prompted the then–Chief of Ordnance, General William Crozier, to authorize further testing for a new service pistol.
Following the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde pistol round effectiveness tests, Colonel John T. Thompson stated that the new pistol "should not be of less than .45 caliber" and would preferably be semi-automatic in operation
American units fighting Moro guerrillas during the Philippine-American War using the then-standard Colt M1892 revolver, in .38 Long Colt, found it to be unsuitable for the rigors of jungle warfare, particularly in terms of stopping power, as the Moros had very high battle morale and frequently used drugs to inhibit the sensation of pain.The U.S. Army briefly reverted to using the M1873 single-action revolver in .45 Colt caliber, which had been standard during the late 19th century; the heavier bullet was found to be more effective against charging tribesmen. The problems prompted the then–Chief of Ordnance, General William Crozier, to authorize further testing for a new service pistol.
Following the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde pistol round effectiveness tests, Colonel John T. Thompson stated that the new pistol "should not be of less than .45 caliber" and would preferably be semi-automatic in operation
On January 14, 1985, during the Cold war, the 9mm was officially adopted.
Now history repeats itself, and the 9mm is considered inadequate to put down fanatical Muslims.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The NATO conclusion was that the 9mm offered adequate stopping power in a sidearm and it was a uniform caliber to be shared with all NATO participants.
Their view of the U.S. .45 caliber, was that it was "overkill" or "excessive" along with it's incompatability with most European NATO members.
As it so happens, the Colt 1911 .45 is just as effective at stopping a "muslim fanatic" as it is a "judeo-christian", a "godless commie bastard" or anything inbetween...
Their view of the U.S. .45 caliber, was that it was "overkill" or "excessive" along with it's incompatability with most European NATO members.
As it so happens, the Colt 1911 .45 is just as effective at stopping a "muslim fanatic" as it is a "judeo-christian", a "godless commie bastard" or anything inbetween...
glennasher
Senior Airman
I like to think it was because the rest of NATO is effete and sissified, personally d:^) (to be fair, I've owned and shot a LOT of .45s, AND 9mms (and 10mms, .38 Supers, .357s, .44s, etc), but currently own only .45s. I see no reason to ever backslide again.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Although it was was close to out of service before Vietnam in the mid 60's the C-47 Dakota/Gooney bird (derived from the civil DC-3 first flown in 1935) was re-purposed to carry a group of mini-guns controlled by the pilot and became the FC-47 (later re-designated AC-47)
