p51 vs p47

FLYBOYJ said:

And a P-47 with a normal internal fuel load or bomb load could operate from - and BTW most if not all tactical operations were NOT operated from "T" airfields.

WRONG - the two I mentioned were housed JAAF bomber units and were well over 6000' when first built. Even on unpaved runways the P-47 could have easily operated from those bases.
Misinformation? Dan - stop with the bullshit!!! - you're wrong and coming on here with half-assed information and comments. First you said the P-47 "couldn't get off the ground." Next you stated it couldn't operate from any bases in Japan. Next you said it couldn't operate from bases on the Korean peninsula. I posted the charts and the P-47, depending on the fuel and bomb load could operate from a 2500 - 3000 foot runway with a 2-300 mile combat radius, perhaps those charts are too advanced for your Osprey aviation education. I posted nearly all the major bases in both Japan and Korea where the P-47 could have easily operated from. Post 307 clearly sources the reasons why the P-47 wasn't used in Korea, wrap your mind around this DOCUMENTED information!!! I'll post this again - read it slowly so you can comprehend who wrote it and when!!!!

"Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg, Air Force chief of staff, explained that considering the current availability of F-47s, the lack of spare parts, and the problems of introducing another type of fighter aircraft, "we fail to see any appreciable results to be gained by the substitution." (29) Vandenberg admitted the F-47 would likely confirm its reputation from World War II and prove less vulnerable than the F51, but he believed that "the disparity between the F-47 and your jet types would be almost as great as the disparity between the F-51s and jets." (30) He concluded that the problem could really only be solved by replacing the Mustangs with jets, adding that exchanging the F-51s for F-47s would require a complete change in the familiarization training pilots received prior to flying combat missions in Korea."

So you know more than, General Vandenberg????

Hoyt S. Vandenberg to George E. Stratemeyer, May 10, 1951, Y'Blood, Three Wars, pp. 509-10.

You also can't grasp the fact that combat aircraft are normally not operated at their maximum gross weights, perhaps its just easier for you to read certain performance factors rather then figuring out how to determine aircraft loading and performance from flight manual charts!!!

And finally you seem to know little difference between in-line and radial engines. You've provided no references for any of comments, so again, if you want to continue to participate here, start providing references for your statements!!!!!

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Don't forget that he does not know the difference between a Radial and an Inline, you know Recips...

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:

Don't forget that he does not know the difference between a Radial and an Inline, you know Recips...

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And we haven't even brought up jet takeoff performance charts yet!

The 7th FS, 49 FG operated the F-80C out of Taegu Airbase (K-2) October, 1950. A fully loaded P-80C accelerated and initially climbed slower than recip combat aircraft (to include the F-47 and F-51).

Dan - any comments? Care to know what take off distance they needed? Maybe you have the answer to that one. Maybe you'll come up with a reference or source for your information!?!

A list of Korean War USAF fighter units - what they operated and where they were operated from.

Dan - show us any field where the F-47 could not have operated out of and please forget your delusional premise of the aircraft continually being operated at its maximum gross weight!!!!!

BTW - I invite you to review the bases the F-86s operated out of and what the normal take off distance was for an F-86...

• 4th Fighter-Interceptor Wing (Deployed) (F-86 Sabre)

Attached to Fifth Air Force, 28 November 1950 – 7 March 1955
Further attached to 314th Air Division 22 December 1950 – 7 May 1951
Further attached to 39th Air Division, 1–7 March 1955
Stationed at: Johnson AB, Japan, 28 November 1950; Suwon AB, South Korea, 7 May 1951; Kimpo AB, South Korea, 23 August 1951 – 1 October 1954

• 8th Fighter-Bomber Wing (F-80 Shooting Star, F-82 Twin Mustang, F-86 Sabre)

Fifth Air Force, 1 March 1950 – 1 March 1955
Attached to 6131 Fighter [later, 6131 Tactical Support] Wing, 14 August-1 December 1950
Stationed at: Itazuke Air Field, Japan, 1 March 1950; Pyongyang, North Korea, 1 December 1950; Seoul AB, South Korea, 9 December 1950; Itazuke AB, Japan, 10 December 1950; Kimpo AB, South Korea, 25 June 1951; Suwon AB, South Korea, 23 August 1951 – 10 October 1954

• 18th Fighter-Bomber Wing (F-51 Mustang, F-80 Shooting Star, F-86 Sabre)

Thirteenth Air Force, 1 June 1950
Attached to: Fifth Air Force, 28 July-3 August 1950
Attached to: 6002 Fighter [later, 6002 Tactical Support] Wing, 4 August-30 November 1950
Attached to: Fifth Air Force, 1 December 1950 – 31 October 1954
Stationed at: Pusan AB, South Korea, 1 December 1950; Pyongyang East, North Korea, 1 December 1950; Suwon AB, South Korea, 4 December 1950; Chinhae, South Korea, 10 December 1950; Osan-ni, South Korea, 26 December 1952 – 1 November 1954

• 27th Fighter-Escort Wing (Deployed) (F-84 Thunderjet)

Attached to Far East Air Forces, 19–29 November 1950
Attached to Fifth Air Force, 30 November 1950 – 15 July 1951
42d Air Division, 6 August 1951
Attached to Far East Air Forces, 6–13 October 1952
Attached to 39th Air Division [Defense], 13 October 1952-c. 13 February 1953
Stationed at: Taegu AB, South Korea, 5 December 1950; Itazuke AB, Japan, 31 January-2 July 1951; Bergstrom AFB, TX, 6 July 1951 – 16 June 1952. Misawa AB, Japan during 6 October 1952 – 13 February 1953

• 35th Fighter-Interceptor Wing (F-51 Mustang, F-80 Shooting Star, F-82 Twin Mustang, F-94 Starfire)

Fifth Air Force, 1 March 1950
314th Air Division, 25 May 1951
Japan Air Defense Force, 1 March 1952
Fifth Air Force, 1 September 1954
Stationed at: Yokoto AB, Japan, 1 April 1950; Johnson AB, Japan, 14 August 1950; Yongho, North Korea, 1 December 1950; Pusan AB, South Korea, c. 7 December 1950; Johnson AB, Japan, 25 May 1951 – 1 October 1954

• 49th Fighter-Bomber Wing (F-51 Mustang, F-80 Shooting Star, F-84 Thunderjet)

Fifth Air Force, 1 March 1950
Attached to 58 Fighter-Bomber Wing, 16–31 March 1953
Japan Air Defense Force, 1 April 1953
Attached to Fifth Air Force, 1 April-7 November 1953
Stationed at: Misawa AB, Japan, 18 August 1948; Taegu AB, South Korea, 1 December 1950; Tsuki AB, Japan, 26 January 1951; Taegu AB, South Korea, 24 February 1951; Kunsan AB, South Korea, 1 April 1953 – 7 November 1953

• 51st Fighter-Interceptor Wing (F-80 Shooting Star, F-82 Twin Mustang, F-86 Sabre)

Twentieth Air Force, 16 May 1949
Attached to Fifth Air Force, 25 September 1950 – 1 August 1954
Further attached to 8 Fighter-Bomber Wing, 25 September-12 October 1950
Stationed at: Naha Afld (later, AB), Okinawa, 18 August 1948; Itazuke AB, Japan, 22 September 1950; Kimpo AB, South Korea, 10 October 1950; Itazuke AB, Japan, 10 December 1950; Tsuiki AB, Japan, 15 January 1951; Suwon AB, South Korea, 1 October 1951 – 26 July 1954

• 58th Fighter-Bomber Wing (Deployed) (F-84 Thunderjet)

Tactical Air Command, 10 July 1952
Attached to Fifth Air Force, 10 July 1952 – 28 February 1955
Stationed at: Itazuke AB, Japan, 10 July 1952; Taegu AB, South Korea, August 1952– 15 March 1955

• 116th Fighter-Bomber Wing (Deployed) (F-84 Thunderjet)

Fedearlized Georgia Air National Guard
Assigned to Tactical Air Command, October 1950
Attached to Far East Air Forces, July 1951
Further Attached to Fifth Air Force, July 1951 – 10 July 1952
Released from Active Service 10 July 1952
Stationed at: Itazuke AB, Japan

• 136th Fighter-Bomber Wing (Deployed) (F-84 Thunderjet)

Federalized Texas Air National Guard
Consisted of:
111th Fighter-Bomber Squadron (Ellington Field, Houston)
182nd Fighter-Bomber Squadron (Brooks Air Force Base)
154th Fighter-Bomber Squadron (Little Rock Airport)
Assigned to Tactical Air Command 27 June 1950
Attached to Far East Air Forces, 1951
Further Attached to Fifth Air Force, July 1951 – 10 July 1952
Released from Active Service 1952
Stationed at: Itazuke AB, Japan

• 474th Fighter-Bomber Wing (Deployed) (F-84 Thunderjet)

Activated 10 July 1952, assigned to Tactical Air Command
Attached to Far East Air Forces,
Further Attached to Fifth Air Force, August 1952 – November 1954
Stationed at: Misawa, Japan, 10 July 1952; Kunsan, Korea, 10 July 1952; Taegu, Korea, 1 April 1953 – 22 November 1954

• 319th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron (Deployed) (F-94 Starfire)

Assigned to Strategic Air Command, 90th Bombardment Wing
Attached to Far East Air Forces,
Further Attached to Fifth Air Force, February 1952 – June 1953
Stationed at: Suwon AB, South Korea, (March 1952 – June 1953)