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Complicating things for a 2 stage Merlin powered P-40 is the fact that the XP-40Q didn't use and intercooler. I am sure one could be fitted somehow but an intercooler causes extra drag so a P-40 airframe using one will be slower than the Allison powered "Q" when operating at the same power. Please remember it was a lousy intercooler installation that killed the turbo P-39.
I wanted to let this go but I can't. I keep hearing about the "high drag" airframe of the XP-40Q and it doesn't wash.
I have a very high regard for the P-40: It speed on the same power as the Spitfire was equal unfortunately it never received an engine equal to that of its contemporaries. Perhaps it was a bit heavier and therefore lacking in climb but it also carried far more fuel.
The two stage intercooled Merlin was supposedly designed with the Spitfire according to one of its designers in mind (though some narratives have it as an engine for the pressurised Wellington) and to this end it used a water cooled intercooler. The increased thermal 'waste heat' from the engines great power density and the intercooler was dealt with by adding a second radiator under the wing where once only the oil cooler was.
It occurs to me that fitting the Merlin 61 or 66 to the P-40 may have been too much for the nose radiator and required re-engineering to the chin/belly position.
The Spitfire IX entered service in Mid 1942 so one might reasonably expect a Merlin 61 P-40 to lag only 6 months. (which would still put it one year ahead of the P-51B)
Apart from that I see no great difficulty: the heavier longer Merlin two stage would likely require a little tail ballast or simply equipment such as radios, oxygen bottles moved further aft.
The IV-1430s failure to mature to its promise doomed the C46/C53/C60 series while work on these engines might even have distracted from V-1710 development.
V-3420 development was essential as it was backup to Matterhorn's R-3350 (B-29 the Manhattan a-bomb carrier)
The P-40Q would have been competitive for only 6-9 months with German designs. It probably needed a 2200hp Griffon engine to stay competitive, not just a Merlin 66 or a two stage Allison.
The P-40F (V-1650-1 Merlin 20-series) was within a few mph of the Spitfire V (Merlin 45).
That's bogus Shortround. What you said may be technically correct, but the speed difference is zero for all practical purposes and so it doesn't wash at all.
As I stated, the XP-40Q had a superior rate of climb to the Fw 190D-9, the roll was the best or near the best of Allied fighters, and it is upposed to have been as maneuverable as a regular P-40 in turn. I just don't see at all why it should be judged as uncompetitive.
.Looks to me as if were very competitive. Just wasn't selected for production. I suppose we can look at the same data and see diffferent things, which is OK
Hi Milosh,
I never said anything about deployment and haven't really considered it. I'd leave that to the military planners of the time. What I said was it would have been competitive if produced and could have been produced with little or no impact to production of other US-made aircraft. The guys at the time could deploy them anywhere they wanted to and they P-40Q would have been an asset.
In real life, we know they didn't get produced ... they were a last gasp of the P-40 series that might-have-been, but weren't. All I'm really saying is the performance shown in test tells me it could have done well had it been selected. But, nobody can win a "what if."
I also wasn't knocking the Fw 190D-9. It surely was a good one. But the XP-40Q was as fast, climbed better, and had a good turn performance. To me, the paper performance of the Fw 190D-9 doesn't look better than the paper performance of the XP-40Q. That's all I was saying. Heck, 4 mph is within the error of the airspeed indicator.
I have made and am making no great claims about the XP-40Q other than the fact that the paper performance is quite good in comparison with the competition of the time. Certainly ir was as fast or faster than the Japanese planes and climbed better. As fast as the Fw 190D-9 and climbed better. Slightly slower than the Bf 109, but at low altitudes the P-40 already outmaneuvered the Bf 109 and now could come very close to climbing with it at both lower and higher altitudes while retaining the ability of the P-40 to out-maneuver a Bf 109 and being very close in speed.
So, in my book, it stood a decent chance of being very competitive had it been produced. Others don't see it, and that's OK. We've had areas before where we didn't agree with one another. In the relative scheme of things, 3 airplane more or less (the XP-40Q-1, -2, and -3) don't really mean anything to the overall war effort.
It's a very good-looking footnote to the built-but not-produced aircraft list of WWII.