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''RAM JET ENGINES mounted on the wing tips of U.S. Air Force F-80 Shooting Star spurts flames on a test flight for the "flying stovepipes" began nearly a year ago. These 20-inch diameter tubes contain a grid where gasoline is burned with ram air compressed by the airplane's high speed. Ram jets are subsonic thermal jet propulsion units which are being tested as future power plants for aircraft. At present, they are used only in conjunction with regular turbo-jet engines mounted in the airplanes fuselage. The Shooting Star is flown on the power of its Allison engine before the ram jets are ignited. At times, however, this has been turned off and the airplane has been flown by ram jet alone, making the F-80 the first man-carrying aircraft to accomplish this. The ram jets are manufactured by the Marquardt Aviation Co of Venice, California.''Oh so many questions to this one?
I'm not an engineer much less an aeronautical engineer but could a F-80 even get up to speed enough to start ram jets?
They look like they are on backwards, little end front and big end aft. That seems to be backwards to my mind.
But it's be noted the my mind is a bit off in its self.
I'm sorry I was not questioning the project existed, I'm questioning the validity of the project. That being said it was 1947 and we were evaluating everything that came out of the war. Ram jets to my understanding don't get into their own until well into the Mach numbers. The SR Ram didn't kick in until around Mach 2. And again I'm by no means an aeronautical engineer.''RAM JET ENGINES mounted on the wing tips of U.S. Air Force F-80 Shooting Star spurts flames on a test flight for the "flying stovepipes" began nearly a year ago. These 20-inch diameter tubes contain a grid where gasoline is burned with ram air compressed by the airplane's high speed. Ram jets are subsonic thermal jet propulsion units which are being tested as future power plants for aircraft. At present, they are used only in conjunction with regular turbo-jet engines mounted in the airplanes fuselage. The Shooting Star is flown on the power of its Allison engine before the ram jets are ignited. At times, however, this has been turned off and the airplane has been flown by ram jet alone, making the F-80 the first man-carrying aircraft to accomplish this. The ram jets are manufactured by the Marquardt Aviation Co of Venice, California.''
''December 1947, Herman Salmon flew P-80A, 44-85214, with a Marquardt C-30 ramjet on each wingtip, using only the ramjets for power.''
''...Although ramjet engines will operate at subsonic speeds, subsonic ramjets are notoriously inefficient in that they use a lot of fuel for the thrust they produce. Typically jet engines become more efficient as the compression ratio is increased. Since ramjets rely on converting forward speed into pressure their compression ratios are very low subsonically...''
The 1949 F-80 ramjet
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I think the goal was just to test the ramjet concept. Anyway, the F-80 design itself was completely unsuitable for typical ramjet speeds.I'm sorry I was not questioning the project existed, I'm questioning the validity of the project. That being said it was 1947 and we were evaluating everything that came out of the war. Ram jets to my understanding don't get into their own until well into the Mach numbers. The SR Ram didn't kick in until around Mach 2. And again I'm by no means an aeronautical engineer.
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That's what I was thinking but could only note a single exhaust. Couldn't be a F-20 so confusion set in more rapidly than normal.
Welcome to my world... so confusion set in more rapidly than normal.
Welcome to my world.
OrWelcome to my world.
Wow, I didn't notice how much that photo looks like a single exhaust. But it must be an illusion (the photo is none too sharp), because (as you said) its WAY too early to be the F-20. More to the point, its a matter of historical record. To be precise, it was a YF-5A.That's what I was thinking but could only note a single exhaust. Couldn't be a F-20 so confusion set in more rapidly than normal.
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