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Two images of flight operations on USS Forrestal during MAY 1957 USN Record Group 80 NARA II

First AD-6 139782 T-412 VA-15 "Lil Action" with VA-76 F9F-8Bs in the back ground.



Next F9F-8B 141123 of VA-76 getting ready to launch with another VA-15 AD-6 in the foreground.

 

Great info into the background of the F-4J (UK) in RAF service. Powered by the J79s, these aircraft were somewhat different to the Speyed Phantoms and they gave the RAF the opportunity to evaluate the differences. Contrary to popular belief, the only deficiency in performance between the two aircraft was altitude, although it was quite a deficiency, I can't remember the exact figure off the top of my head. The Speyed Phantoms lost quite a lot of height over the J79 ones, but made up for it in other areas. The Speyed Phantoms could carry a greater load off the ground in a shorter take-off roll because of the Spey's greater thrust on take-off, they could get off the ground and to altitude quicker, possessing a greater climb rate, and the Speys were marginally more fuel efficient than the J79s, meaning they had greater range.

It is interesting to note that while the F-4Js were bought because of Falkland Islands operations, 74 Sqn never deployed them to the islands. The prominent unit based there in the Phantom era was 1435 Flt, which had four Phantom FGR.2s named Faith, Hope, Charity, and Desperation. 29 Sqn Speyed F-4s flew air defence sorties from Ascension Island during the Falklands War however. This is a former 74 Sqn F-4J (UK) on display in the American Air Museum, Duxford, Cambs.

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I believe the other difference which doesn't show on paper but is a noticeable advantage to the Spey, is that they didn't smoke. You could see a J79 F4 of the time from quite a distance because of the smoke trail.
The other advantage being the UK F4 carried the Skyflash missile which was quite a bit better than the Sparrow then in service in the US.
 
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Yep! Forgot the absence of smoke as a positive. The Skyflash also came with tweaks to the radar as well. It was a better missile than the Sparrow, on which it was based. Years ago I met someone who worked on the F-4's radar and avionics at BAe Systems, formerly Ferranti at Crewe Toll in Edinburgh who told me a bit about the mods between the two. Interesting stuff.
 
Good info Grant and, having seen the Duxford F-4J numerous times, I didn't know, until now, that it was a former 74Sqn F-4J(UK).
On a side note, when I was photographing the BBMF in 1982, for a multi-projector AV presentation, I was able to sit in one of the Phantoms that was due to depart, as part of 1435 Flight, the following day. When I was told this, whilst climbing out of the cockpit, I was given permission to "zap" it, and stuck a sticker on the port side nose, from the Jodel Club, bearing the legend "Bent Wings are Best" !
I'm not 100% sure, but I think this same aircraft is now at the Norfolk & Suffolk Aviation Museum. Got a pic of it somewhere, but can't seem to find the file at the moment.
 

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