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If the V-1710 was so much better than the R-2600 (and I'm not saying it wasn't/isn't), then why didn't they use it in lieu of the R-2600 in all applications?
Congratulations, you have a one trick pony. It can out climb a P-40, not exactly a ringing endorsement. It can't out run one. Will the dive be any better? It can't out turn the P-40.
And lets examine the climb part a bit more.
Engine is either 600lbs heavier than the Cyclone 9 used the Mohawk or 300lbs or so heavier than a P-40 engine and radiator. It needs a bigger prop, about 440lbs for another 60lbs or so over the P-40E.
Fuel could be tricky. with 22% more drag (minimum) you either cruise slower, or for less time or you carry more fuel. A P-40 used about 100-112 G/H at max continuous power (1000hp) while the R-2600 could suck down 180G/H at max continuous (1350HP). The R-2600 could be throttled back to about 1000hp for 115 G/H But that extra drag is going to slow the plane down. Military power for the Allison (1150hp) is about 132 G/H while the R-2600, to use it's 1700-1450hp is sucking over 200G/H. If you want to equal the range or endurance of the P-40E you need 25-40 gallons more internal fuel. Another 150-240lbs not including tanks which can easily go another 75-125lbs.
Using drop tanks only gets you so far. Assuming full P-40E load of 150 US gallons (including rear fuselage tank which may be a no-no for combat) the R-2600 will suck down 17.5 gallons in 5 min for combat, it will suck down another 60 gallons in 20mins at max continuous leaving 50 gallons for about 1 hrs flight at most economical (hope you are out of the combat zone) and leaving 22.5 gallons for reserve and landing (just under 1/2 hr) We haven't added in a bigger oil system either.
Will the US Army buy the lower "G" load limit caused by the extra weight or will they insist on beefing up the structure and adding a bit more weight. Unless you really cut guns and ammo you are going to hit 8-10% heavier than the P-40E real quick. Extra drag in the climb and 10% more weight may make those climb figures look not so good. Better than a regular P-40 yes, but enough to take on a new role instead of being in the same situation?
In my opinion, the discussion is on the wrong airframe. The P-66 with a similar engine as the P-36G, was almost 20 mph faster and climbed about 500 ft/min more than the P-40. Now put in the 2600 into the P-66, which should not be any more difficult than putting in a V-1710 in place of a PW on the p-36. The added 30 to 40% power should easily off set the added 750 lbs of weight and slight increase in diameter, increasing climb and top speed. The similar designed F4U-1 with 200 more hp at altitude was capable of 417 mph. This configuration could have indeed been a formidable competition to the Bf-109 and maybe the Fw-190.
Hi guys, I know i'm a bit late since this conversation dates back to may, but I saw that you published the operating limit chart of wright r-2600-8. I'm working on a project of a flying boat inspired by the Boeing 314 and I need the same chart referred to wright r-2600-3. I searched everywhere on the web, so I ask you if can give me information about where to find this graph (possibly without paying 300$ dollars to buy strange manuals of 1935).
i thought military rating was a 15 minute output rating, while WEP or take off power was usually considered a 5 minute rating.
The WEP rating typically gives a lower FTH.
It also had me thinking more of heat, something very relevant to the 5 minute rating.
The V engine has a water cooling system, which for overheating is going to give it a bit more time in the red.
The engine might get hot and overheat but nothing cooks until the water boils off, ie the engine becomes a pressure cooker, and usually you seea head gasket go or hose blow open before any other damage occurs. You can also warp heads and other parts by running hot.
After the water goes, then the oil cooks and the viscosity breaks down to where engine parts start grinding.
In a radial, there is no water to boil off, so the break down of oil viscosity happens much faster and cylinder heads are much more sensitive to damage. Also engine oil is a more of a mixture that burns with the fuel than something that cycles through, if i understand it correctly.
Holding your engine in the red would not be advisable. The advantage is that the engine will also cool off relatively sooner.
In a water cooled engine you'd have to wait for the coolant to reach a "normal" temperature setting which is dependant on radiator efficiency.
If overheating blows a hose, or gasket, you're screwed. A radial just needs to level out and increase airspeed.
Its not really about output, its about heat, and a combat climb is usually the most trying for radials because the output is high but the airspeed is low.
A climbing comparison might actually let the V engine climb longer at higher output but requiring a longer break to cool down, where the radial engine might not climb as long at higher outputs before it needs a short break to cool down some.
The rate of climb has more to do with the aircraft the engine goes on.
Aside from comparing horses, also compare propeller efficiency and design height.
Some planes just perform better at certain heights despite output.
It might fly faster at X,000 ft, but accelerates, zooms, and turns better at X,000 ft.
Consider drag, wing design, and acceleration and don't forget the octane rating.
Their ratings probably has more to do with octane and ram air efficiency something that was not well understood with either engine when they were first put into service.
If it says anything, the Hawk 75 or Mohawk /P-36 was said to climb with.. and had just a slightly wider turning radius than the Zero up to about 8000ft.
While the P-40 could not climb with the Zero or P-36 it out accelerated them (from 200IAS) in level flight up to 15,000ft.