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Then why don't 109's that are airworthy today have them (to the best of my knowledge) this is the one I was associated withof course, you can find them on the net. I have two, one in German one in English translation. Whether they refered to them all all, I suspose so.
You are, of course, free to accept the word of a Hawker employee; I much prefer to use the Supermarine (Spitfire manufacturer) drawing, which refers to the item as the "rear spar," shows all of the ribs as being attached to it, the outer skinning also being riveted to it, and the spar, itself, attached to one of the main frame members of the fuselage. I'm no engineer, but that doesn't sound like "secondary," or "carrying little of the load," to me.There is information here on different wing construction types:Mr. Lickley is on the technical staff of Hawker Aircraft,Ltd., and is one of Mr. Camm's assistants. The views.expressed may, therefore, be taken as representing also those ot
his chief.—ED.There are secondary spars but they carry little of the load or are there to attach constrol surfaces to. ..
Mk.18 (old wing) capable of 442 mph at 19,000' with a ceiling of 43,500'; 22/24 450mph at 25,000' with a ceiling of 44,500'. Those differences might be "miserable," in your eyes, but not in mine.The Mk. 20 wing structure was designed to be much stiffer and this was to improve roll rate, extra armament options may also have been a driving factor but certainly the Spitfire would have been a miserable machine with the old wing at the kind of speeds the Mk 22 was capable of
Yep, lets like tis post:
Asian hordes? One can wonder what type of a propaganda (rasistic?) bull is one reading, to make such a statement.
As per 7) - it's so convenient to forget a sounding defeat during the Battle of Moscow, or a wholesale defeat of the 6th Army at the outskirts of Stalingrad.
I also saw a post above where it was claimed the Me 109 could roll at 91° per second at 600 kph.
Sorry guys, I have seen absolutely zero flight reports that corroborate that except for quoted excerpts in here, without original documentation. I HAVE the documentation for many 109 flight reports and NONE of them come close to the numbers related in that earlier post. In fact, only a very few address roll at all in any reasonable form. The Me 109G-10 we own NEVER got anywhere NEAR those numbers in the hands of the Planes of Fame, and we defeintely did dogfights with Mustangs in our Me 109. According to our Me 109 pilots, it won't come anywhere NEAR a Mustang in a dogfight unless the Mustang driver lets things get slow ... so they don't.
Yes, Steve Hinton knows how the slats work ... they work the same on his F-86F Sabre. In fact, thay are automatic, and are not under pilot control at all. Unless the ball is centered, the slats don't even open symmetrically, and so throww the aircraft around directionally when they deploy, spoiling any aim going on at the time. Personally, I have overhauled the slats on our Hispano Ha.1112, and they are simple slats without springs. When on the ground, gravity brings them out on their own. They retract with air pressure and open when the airflow over the leading edge pulls them open.
There is nothing mysterious about the flaps and tghere are no "detents". They wind down with the flap wheel to any point the pilot wasnts. The flap actuator wheel is mounted on the same axis as the elevator trim wheel (within an inch of each other ... the same size wheels), and you can move them together or independently easily. In fact, if you roll in the elevator trim as you move the flaps down, there is very little to no trim change at all. The Me 109 is a VERY simple airplane with very simple systems, and I am rather intimately famailiar with it, having working on our Hispano for more than 2 years. From the firewall back it is a standard Me 109G, with a simple change to the wing armament and the addition of outer wing panel fuel tanks being the only difference from German models. The rest of the differences are from the firewall forward. We removed the outer wing panel fuel tanks since ours will be an airshow machine going forward.
Before you trash me too hard about the 109, remember, we HAVE one (a real Messerschmitt Me 109G-10) and it flew for many years in our collection (Planes of Fame). It's flight characteristics are extremely well known to our pilots. We also fly WWII aircraft every week, and my opinions about them come from presentations by WWII aces at our museum (every month, and not always American aces), our own warbirds pilots who fly them today including a Flugwerk Fw 190 as well as Paul Allen's REAL Fw 190, and several friends who own and fly warbirds, including P-40's, Mustangs, Skyradiers, Yak-3's, Yak-9's, P-39's, P-63's, P-47's, several Sea Furies, and several mark Spitfiores including a Mk V, a Mk IX, and a Mk XIV.
While I'm not a certified warbird pilot myself, I AM a pilot and I DO have stick time in several with dual controls including a CJ-6, a Yak-52, several T-6's, and several takeoffs and landings in a real Fiesler Storch on my own from the back seat, as well as several hours in a P-51 in the back seat while we were playing about the sky. So I didn't exactly walk in from the street and start saying things from nowhere.
I've seen so much false posted about the Me 109 in here that I simply ignore most of it, just as I ignore most of bad press posted about the Allison V-1710. We have more than 20 customers who have more than 800 hours on our Allisons and they are still running great. Try THAT with your Merlin, and good luck. Wer like to say we can fly an Allison farther than you can ship a Merlin. More than 5 have 1200+ hours on theirs and they are still running great! That ain't bad for an engine with a wartime overhaul life of 250 - 350 hours. I'd love to see someone with a Daimler-Benz try that, but there simply aren't very many around. I wish there were because we LIKE the DB engines. Too bad there are not more around.
Maybe I'm off base on the Me 109. If so, a lot of current warbird pilots are ALSO off base ... and they FLY the 109 ... admittedly on an infrequent basis when compared with wartime pilots, but they DO fly them.
View attachment flap.bmpSorry to ask but you have any better pics those are pretty rough with the glare and all besides your flaps are upso its hard to see
He's talking about the indicator like the ones used on the Emils. I showed none like that for a G-6. So please refrain from personal attacks. As I have never did the same to you. Also, in the field, those degree markings become useless in no time as a reference.The flaps had indicator marks to show how much flap was deployed.
Photo of a G-2:
http://data.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin/me109g2/Me 109G-2 Black 6 017.JPG
Since Ratsel's photos show no deployment, no indicator marks show.
One would think someone who is so 'in the know' on the 109 would know this.
is it possible to get a shot of the g whatever that shows more detail of the upper wing particlarly within 20cm of fuselage , it is hardly noticeable when flap not deployed at least in the pics i have which are numerous.He's talking about the indicator like the ones used on the Emils. I showed none like that for a G-6. So please refrain from personal attacks. As I have never did the same to you. Also, in the field, those degree markings become useless in no time as a reference.
But from now on I'll watch quitely in the background. Thanks.