Soren, you're missing my point: I was trying to resolve what seemed to be a deep seated arguement between two people. I just didn't want tempers flairing or anything (yes, I have been told not to care so much for others by people in real life, not that I listen). As to the point about the great engineering, I find not many faults there. However, it's something akin to taking an early M16 into combat in trying conditions as opposed to a AK47. While one does the job great, it is still a handful to maintain. In contrast, the other gets the job done, and it keeps going no matter what happens (off topic, but I would still prefer the 7.62mm to the NATO 5.56mm). Anyway, both of you have valid points. The Germans made really good tanks for the era, and the Allies focused more on having more tanks to overwhelm the Germans.