Thumpalumpacus
Major
No doubt Xi was hoping that the West would stay complacent.
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No doubt Xi was hoping that the West would stay complacent.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Hence my worries about losses and coming up with possible spare flight decks.
GrauGeist pointed out that there are a number of strips but they can't handle aircraft now or in a month from now. I'd like to see some preparation for the possibilities of Chinese adventurism. I'd like to see a bunch of other things as well.
All kidding aside, I'm aware of the long lead times, the necessity of having orders in hand and the lack of customers for a "full boat"CVN. There's just so much that can be done with what we have. At least we're getting the Enterprise! And I don't mean the cute little RN one either.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Additionally, though the missions would be long, aerial refueling from Andersen AB would help planes based in Okinawa to launch strikes. Remember too that we may well have access to Filipino airfields as well in the event of hostilities.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Not for CVNs. Forgive citing Wiki but the largest of them is only 1,088' x 155'.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I'm sure the PLAN is aware of the Philippine facilities. The Philippines have had numerous encroachments on their territorial waters and airspace. How secure can Clarke and Subic remain? That's much closer to the PLAN's comfort zone than Pearl.
Just wondering, do the Aussies clean up Guadalcanal or do we?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Yeah, the PI bases are vulnerable, but what base isn't? You use and defend what ya got . Between Okinawa, PI, and CVNs, one advantage will be that PLAN/PLAAF forces west of Taiwan can be struck from multiple directions.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
At this point in time, I think China is a more credible threat than Russia. But there is still work to be done.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Aparently, the Philippines just recently made five bases available to the US, so that brings the total number of bases up to seven for joint US operations.
Ah, is that why labor force participation has been climbing steadily?
Sadly for businesses, there are lots of jobs available and there's wage competition. Bizarrely, workers leave lower-paying jobs with worse working conditions for higher-paying jobs with better working conditions.
Labor force participation has been been particularly driven by Blacks, ages 16-19.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
The key metrics, though, are in heavy industry and chip manufacture, not overall employment, no?
Trying to find numbers on chip-manufacture, will post if I do.
I'd bet we're doing very well with software development, which is also a vital resource for modern weaponry.
Reluctant Poster
Tech Sergeant
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Chip manufacturing is dominated by Taiwan. The US gave up most of it years ago
The excuse in the past has always been that we will move manufacture overseas but continue to design here. What always happens is that the those who build something begin to understand it better than anyone else so the design expertise eventually follows.
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But it is being reversed. Lot of new plants being built in the USA.
www.tomshardware.com
U.S. Semiconductor Renaissance: All the Upcoming Fabs
Everything we know about new chip manufacturing facilities in America.
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I was simply replying to the statement that "No one wants to work," which is obviously hooey.
Your point about what jobs are missing goes to the root of that idea--a vast number of pretty good jobs disappeared. Anyone who argues, "Yeah, well, they should go work at Walmart!" has lost the thread.
Fortunately for the job prospects of 16-19 year-olds, a lot of their elders just died, allowing lots of people to move up a rank, which opened entry-level positions. There were also many, many people who were disabled, some partially, some completely some temporarily, some permanently, plus all the people needed to care for the disabled. There was also the loss of the grandmas who were providing free child care. That's pulled a lot of women out of the workforce. Frankly, the increase im labor force participation is amazing, given the number of people who were pulled out of the economy.
Your point about what jobs are missing goes to the root of that idea--a vast number of pretty good jobs disappeared. Anyone who argues, "Yeah, well, they should go work at Walmart!" has lost the thread.
Fortunately for the job prospects of 16-19 year-olds, a lot of their elders just died, allowing lots of people to move up a rank, which opened entry-level positions. There were also many, many people who were disabled, some partially, some completely some temporarily, some permanently, plus all the people needed to care for the disabled. There was also the loss of the grandmas who were providing free child care. That's pulled a lot of women out of the workforce. Frankly, the increase im labor force participation is amazing, given the number of people who were pulled out of the economy.
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
Many things can be said about this, but whatever we "say", it can be changed in a blink of an eye; to what end? It's up to guys in high places.
Admiral Beez
Major
This issue was brought up in a recent copy of Warships IFR magazine covering a recent wargame, The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan
Included in the article was that the US has no ability build replacement CVNs lost in combat beyond the current build rate. For example, the future USS John F. Kennedy CVN-79 was laid down in 2015, but won't enter service until after 2025, more than ten years later. Subsequent units of the Ford class will enter service faster due to efficiencies and learnings from the first two units, but still if the US lost three carriers they'd not be able to return to their pre-war CVN count for over a decade.
Re my post #20, I've now found the document I had in mind. Dated 30 Sept 1988 it contained details of all the dry docks in the various USN shipyards.
These are the ones then noted as being capable of handling a CVN.
Norfolk No.8 see p74-75 (p84-85 of the .pdf file). Completed 1942 & originally intended for construction of Montana class Battleship Louisiana. It is currently being upgraded.
www.dvidshub.net
Pearl Harbor No.4 p90-91 (p100-101 of the .pdf). Completed 1943
Puget Sound No.6 p128-129 (p138-9 of the .pdf). Completed 1962
The Refuelling and Complex Overhaul Work (RCOH) is carried out in the civilian yard at Newport News, alongside new construction.
These are the ones then noted as being capable of handling a CVN.
Norfolk No.8 see p74-75 (p84-85 of the .pdf file). Completed 1942 & originally intended for construction of Montana class Battleship Louisiana. It is currently being upgraded.
Norfolk Naval Shipyard Breaks Ground on $300 Million Renovation of its Carrier Drydock, Adjacent Berths
Norfolk Naval Shipyard (NNSY) broke ground for the renovation of its historic Dry Dock 8 and adjacent berths Feb. 15.
Pearl Harbor No.4 p90-91 (p100-101 of the .pdf). Completed 1943
Puget Sound No.6 p128-129 (p138-9 of the .pdf). Completed 1962
The Refuelling and Complex Overhaul Work (RCOH) is carried out in the civilian yard at Newport News, alongside new construction.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I got to admit there are more dry dock facilities than I thought.Re my post #20, I've now found the document I had in mind. Dated 30 Sept 1988 it contained details of all the dry docks in the various USN shipyards.
These are the ones then noted as being capable of handling a CVN.
Norfolk No.8 see p74-75 (p84-85 of the .pdf file). Completed 1942 & originally intended for construction of Montana class Battleship Louisiana. It is currently being upgraded.
Norfolk Naval Shipyard Breaks Ground on $300 Million Renovation of its Carrier Drydock, Adjacent Berths
Norfolk Naval Shipyard (NNSY) broke ground for the renovation of its historic Dry Dock 8 and adjacent berths Feb. 15.
Pearl Harbor No.4 p90-91 (p100-101 of the .pdf). Completed 1943
Puget Sound No.6 p128-129 (p138-9 of the .pdf). Completed 1962
The Refuelling and Complex Overhaul Work (RCOH) is carried out in the civilian yard at Newport News, alongside new construction.
Wow. Despite tens of thousands of tech layoff, the latest jobs report is an increase of a quarter million people in the work force. Clearly, someone wants to work.
