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I'm not arguing it would be smooth sailing, far from it.For some reasons all of the multi cylinder engines of over 24 cylinders seemed to run into difficulties. They sounded real good in the sales brochures but............
Only the P&W R-4360 made it and it's rather troublesome gestation period may have scared off everybody else.
It also saw the development of the first "electronical" engine analyzers for trouble diagnoses. It was one of the few engines that was reputed to be able to shut down in good running condition and had troubles on start up.
Vibration problems seemed to multiply with the number of cylinders. In the days of slide rules this took a lot of time to sort out.
The P&W R-4360s were not popular with the airlines and they only used them when they had to. Once jets showed up they went into the secondary market and the value of the aircraft dropped like rocks. Air freighters with R-3350s and R-2800s survived for considerable periods of time due to cheaper maintenance costs.
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Lycoming XR-7755 36-Cylinder Aircraft Engine
In 1943, Lycoming began work on a powerful and efficient engine intended to power the next generation of very large aircraft. The 5,000 hp XR-7755 ran in 1946, but such a large engine was no longer…oldmachinepress.com
A major problem is that while you could make engines bigger, you could no longer change the power to weight ratio very much. That needed new materials.
If you had a 2000hp engine that weighed 2000lbs there were only certain applications that called for a 6000hp engine of 6000lbs. There is an economy of scale to be sure but for such things as fighters (and not bombers calling themselves fighters) a 6000lb engine needs 3 times the wing area, and 3 times the fuel (a bit less when cruising) which means 3 times the wing area for the fuel, and 3 times the landing gear weight, etc, etc, etc, The weight savings of using 2 6000hp engines vs 4 3000hp engines is there but it is not great.
Jets won because a jet offered much more power for the same weight.
They were also running into problems with the efficiency of propellers the upper 400mph and low 500mph speed range.
They could not turn the extra power into higher speed or at least effectively.
Speed record planes do not make money
Well, RR had built 3 V-12s in WW I or just after. But that is part of the materials/technology development'For comparison, how many V-12 aero engines did RR make before the Merlin? And even so, it took a long time before they worked out the various issues in the design and it became the famous war winning engine. Making complex things work just takes time and a lot of elbow grease, no reason to expect that the liquid cooled radial would have been able to somehow take a shortcut on this path.
Griffon crankshaft was comprehensively revised - a number of times, with many fundamental palliatives applied - to make a basic V12 work.I think the basic Vulture concept was sound, they just never had the time to work out the kinks and optimize the design. So yes, a X-24 with Merlin cylinders and blocks could have been viable.
Or if turbines hadn't taken over, why stop at a X-24? Attach 7 Griffon banks around a common crankcase and you'd have a 42 cylinder liquid cooled radial making something like 7000 hp.
Griffon crankshaft was comprehensively revised - a number of times, with many fundamental palliatives applied - to make a basic V12 work.
After the Vulture X-24 flop (can you name a successful X-crank engine?), they'd be in conniptions over any such concept as you suggest.
If the Vulture had the time, money and effort spent on it that the Sabre did it would have been successful.
Actually, I'd reckon the opposite applies.
Basis being, the Sabre design was fundamentally sound, it was the production issue which cruelled it.
The Vulture design was fundamentally flawed, no amount of "time money effort spent..." could overcome that.
Rolls-Royce had no shortage of "time money effort", since they proposed the Griffon as a big power substitute,
yet it could never make the cut, as an option for airframes designed for true 'big power' (over 2,000hp) use.
Care to elaborate?
I know the Griffon firing order was changed to alleviate issues, and that the accessory drive was originally connected to the front of the crankshaft and then later moved to the rear.
What else?
Fundamental flaw was the X-crank inherently going 'walkabout' in the crankcases, a flexing that dowelling wouldn't fix.What is the fundamental flaw that would have prevented the Vulture from becoming a success with more development?
The main problem was with the connecting rod arrangement. That certainly could have been solved.
The Pennine was an X-24 engine that used a built-up crank and single piece master rod. That sort of crankshaft may have been a possible solution for teh Vulture.
The Griffon, as you have previously noted, was originally a project for the FAA. Then someone figured it could fit into a Spitfire.
And no, it wasn't particularly suited for big fat aircraft designed around the Sabre and the Centaurus.
After the Vulture X-24 flop (can you name a successful X-crank engine?), they'd be in conniptions over any such concept as you suggest.
As I mentioned, turbines killed the large aero piston engine, so there was no motivation to develop ever more powerful aero piston engines.
As for a successful liquid cooled radial engine, the Yakovlev/Zvezda M50x family springs to mind. Not for aero use, mind you, but for missile boats where power/weight isn't entirely inconsequential either.
Yakovlev M-501 and Zvezda M503 and M504 Diesel Engines
One of the largest aircraft engines ever built, the 42-cylinder Yakovlev M-501 was modified into the Zvezda M503 marine engine. A further redesign created the 56-cylinder Zvezda M504.oldmachinepress.com
But if not liquid cooled radials, if turbines are delayed by a couple of decades compared to the historical timeline, what's your suggestion for higher power aero piston engines after the various 24-cylinder liquid cooled ones and two-row air cooled radials run out of steam?
Well, this is what Napier did, a very efficient mill - but were cut-off short by turbines & cheap fuel...
Napier Nomad Compound Aircraft Engine
Compression ignition 2-stroke engines were 'a natural' for downstream gas efflux reuse, since they flowed copiously and did notThe Nomads are indeed fascinating, but OTOH if we imagine that turbines are delayed for a couple of decades (say, due to materials challenges?), then presumably turbochargers and turbocompound systems are also out of the picture.
Compression ignition 2-stroke engines were 'a natural' for downstream gas efflux reuse, since they flowed copiously and did not
put forbidding thermal (heat-limitation) demands as gas generators for heat sensitive turbines.
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