Soviet flown 109s???

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  1. silence

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    Did the Soviets fly captured 109s against the Luftwaffe, and if so where and when?
     
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    I'm aware of captured Bf 109s and aware of some marked with Soviet national markings. There is a well photographed "Friedrich" which springs to mind.

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    I'm also aware of captured aircraft marked by other allies. That is a huge step from using them in combat against their former owners. I've never heard of this happening. At the end of the day a Bf109 looks like a Bf 109 and would be likely to be attacked by any Soviet fighter,however it was marked.

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    I believe the USSR flew a squadron of Fw190Ds at or just after the end of the war - not sure if they saw action though.
     
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    IIRC some captured 109G was used over Kuban(??) for recce purpose... read it in memoirs of a Soviet ace at website, but can't recall details..
     
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    That's more feasible. The Luftwaffe supposedly used captured allied types for similar purposes,tracking bomber streams. A B-24 (42-52106 "Sunshine") which landed at Venegono in Italy was certainly used to track RAF bombers at night but it was marked with appropriate German markings.
    The notorious KG 200 may have got up to no good with captured types,let's say "special missions". They had several foreign types including a B-17 (42-5714). This aircraft was also correctly painted in German markings,coded DR+PE,before testing and being passed on to KG 200.

    Every aircraft captured by the Germans that I've seen had at least rudimentary German national markings applied almost immiediately,certainly before shipping to Germany or induction into training schools (like the MS 406s,Bloch 152s and D.520s captured in France).They also got a stammkennzeichen.

    There were three known attempts by the Germans to equip a fighter unit with foreign types,none were successful,and these would not have masqueraded as non-Luftwaffe machines anyway. They tried Czech Avia B.534s in 1939,French Curtiss H-75s in 1940 and finally Italian Macchi 205s in 1943. Many foreign types went into flying schools and,later,transport units. I've even seen an Airspeed AS.6 "Envoy" in Luftwaffe service,marked CM+SA. I wonder where they got that from! Maybe one of the four ordered by the Czechs in 1937.

    I know of a picture of a Beaufighter,in flight, with hakenkreuz on the tail,Balkenkreuz on the fuselage sides and roundels on the upper wings. It's probably at an intermediate stage of repainting and is definitely the exception not the rule

    Didn't an Italian fly a captured P-38 ?

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