Spitfire Mk.XIV vs P-51D Mustang

[Vincenzo]

Wing gondalas: Bf.109K-6

you've not read the article
the K-6 have not gun gondolas, it (would) have the gun in the wings

 

[Milosh]

Kurfürst - Articles - Notes for "Spitfire Mk XIV versus Me 109 G/K A Performance Comparison"

Oh please Vincenzo. I have rebuttal for that pile of cow manure but have been asked to never post it.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

Can you give a brief explanation as to why it is incorrect? I am genuinely curious, there seems to be some history there

 

[Milosh]

OK. 1.98ata was only tested and not cleared for use til late March 1945 (an original document has never been shown). There has been no proof provided that it was actually used by the 4 Gruppes authorized to do so.

You are correct, there is a history. Mike Williams tried to work with Kurfurst but was he damned if he did and damned if he didn't as Kurfurst was never satisfied.

 

[CORSNING]

Now we are drifting off topic here. I love the direction we are going
but that is another thread waiting to be opened. I do not know enough
about what actually took place with the Bf.109Ks in combat to make
a decisive statement. I do have a fair quantity of Bf.109K-4 and K-6
performance graphs that would allow it to exceed the graph displayed
on wwiiaircraftperformance.org. The graphs I have are both test flights
and calculations. What I do not know for certain is which DB605 engines
were actually used in combat. If anyone knows a publication that gives
that information I would be greatly appreciative for that information.
I am not writing a book. I just crave the information so that I can share
it with all.
Hi, how you doing, Jeff

 

[Clayton Magnet]

A K-4 running at 1.98ata with the addition of MW-50 must have been an impressive machine, no doubt fully the equal (perhaps more?) of the Mk.XIV. Pretty good for a couple designs that were 10 years old at the time.

 

[Milosh]

The first Spitfire F.21s reached squadrons in Jan '45.

 

[David Fred]

There was an "e" wing variant as well

Two .50 Browning BMG and two 20mm Hispano II.

Source:
Fighter Aircraft Performance Of WW2

Erik Pilawskii

Spitfire Mk.XIV

Max Engine power: 2035 hp.

Max Speed: 721 km/h.

Max Climb Rate: 5,200 ft/min.

Wing Span: 11,23 m.

Wing Area: 22,48 m2.

Empty Weight: 2,994 kg.

Max. Weight: 3,856 kg.

Armament: two 20mm cannons and four 7.7mm Machine Guns.


P-51D Mustang
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Max Engine power: 1720 hp.

Max Speed: 703 km/h.

Max Climb rate: 3,475 ft/min.

Wing Span: 11,28 m.

Wing Area: 21.83 m2.

Empty Weight: 3,232 kg.

Max. Weight: 5,206 kg.

Armament: Six Browning M2 .50 Caliber Machine Guns.

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So wich one would you bet your money on in a clash between the two ?

 

[David Fred]

The Mark XII had less HP then the XIV, 1730 vs. 2035,

Source:

FighterAircaft Performance Of WW2
Erik Pilawskii.

It's a great book.

The Mustang has it on range, and roll rate. It also has better ground handling (wide gear) and the ability to carry stores outboard of the landing gear (a Spitfire would tip over or stress the wing). Other than that the XIV comes out ahead.

I wonder how the range of the XVIII (essentially a XIV with added internal tankage) compares to the P-51.