Spitfire VB v. FW 190A

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  1. Medvedya

    Medvedya Active Member

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    Inearly 1942 RAF fighters first encountered the Focke-Wulf 190 in numbers, and it became evident that the formidable German fighter was overwhelmingly superior in performance to the then current variant of Spitfire, the Mk VB. The Mark IX Spitfire was developed as an emergency response to this crisis.

    SPITFIRE VB VERSUS FW 190A


    The account below is taken from the comparative trial of the Spitfire VB with the [captured] Focke-Wulf 190, flown by the Air Fighting Development Unit at Duxford in July 1942.
    The FW190 was compared with a Spitfire VB from an operational squadron, for speed and all-round manoeuvrability at heights up to 25,000 feet.

    The FW 190 is superior in speed at all heights, and the approximate differences are as follows -

    At 1,000 ft the FW 190 is 25-30 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 3,000 ft the FW 190 is 30-35 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 5,000 ft the FW 190 is 25 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 9,000 ft the FW 190 is 25-30 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 15,000 ft the FW 190 is 20 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 18,000 ft the FW 190 is 20 mph faster than the Spitfire VB
    At 21,000 ft the FW 190 is 20-25 mph faster than the Spitfire VB

    Climb:The climb of the FW 190 is superior to that of the Spitfire VB at all heights.

    The best speeds for climbing are approximately the same, but the angle of the FW 190 is considerably steeper. Under maximum continuous climbing conditions the climb of the FW 190 is about 450 ft/min better up to 25,000'. With both aircraft flying at high cruising speed and then pulling up into a climb, the superior climb of the FW 190 is even more marked. When both aircraft are pulled up into a climb from a dive, the FW 190 draws away very rapidly and the pilot of the Spitfire has no hope of catching it.

    Dive: Comparative dives between the two aircraft have shown that the FW 190 can leave the Spitfire with ease, particularly during the initial stages.

    Manoeuvrability. The manoeuvrability of the FW 190 is better than that of the Spitfire VB except in turning circles, when the Spitfire can quite easily out-turn it. The FW 190 has better acceleration under all conditions
    of flight and this must obviously be most useful during combat.

    When the FW 190 was in a turn and was attacked by the Spitfire, the superior rate of roll enabled it to flick into a diving turn in the opposite direction. The pilot of the Spitfire found great difficulty in following this manoeuvre and even when prepared for it, was seldom able to allow the correct deflection. A dive from this manoeuvre enabled the FW 190 to draw away from the Spitfire which was then forced to break off the attack.
    Several flights were carried out to ascertain the best evasive manoeuvres to adopt if 'bounced'. It was found that if the Spitfire was cruising at low speed and was 'bounced' by the FW 190, it was easily caught even if the FW 190 was sighted when well out of range, and the Spitfire was then forced to take avoiding action by using its superiority in turning circles. If on the other hand the Spitfire was flying at maximum continuous cruising and was 'bounced' under the same conditions, it had a reasonable chance of avoiding being caught by opening the throttle and going into a shallow dive, providing the FW 190 was seen in time. This forced the FW 190 into a stern chase, and although it eventually caught the Spitfire, it took some time and as a result was drawn a considerable distance away from its base. This is a particularly useful method of evasion for the Spitfire if it is 'bounced' when returning from a sweep. This manoeuvre has been carried out during recent operations and has been successful on several occasions.
    Ifthe Spitfire VB is 'bounced' it is thought unwise to evade by diving steeply, as the FW 190 will have little difficulty in catching up owing to its superiority in the dive.

    The above trials have shown that the Spitfire VB must cruise at high speed when in an area where enemy fighters can be expected. It will then, in addition to lessening the chances of being successfully 'bounced', have a better chance of catching the FW 190, particularly if it has the advantage of surprise.
     
  2. plan_D

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    I thought it was well known that the Spitfire Vb was inferior to the Fw-190A. In July 1941, when the Fw-190 was first met the RAF reported that the new fighter was the best thing in the skies over Europe.
     
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    I think that the spit was outclassed by the fw190.
     
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    The fw 190 was far greater and although a brit i feel that the fw190 should not have its credit taken away from it.
     
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    I feel that the tactics you have provided are fair enough.
     
  6. DerAdlerIstGelandet

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    Spammer! :lol: You couldn't have made those all one post! :D

    I agree with the Fw-190A being more superior but as Plan_D posted I dont think that was ever contested.
     
  7. Nonskimmer

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    You could combine them into a single post yourself if you want. I've done it before.
     
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    No because then my post would not make any sense. :D I really dont care, Im just having a friendly picking at. :D
     
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    You're right though. Posts like that are hell to read after a while.
     
  10. the lancaster kicks ass

    the lancaster kicks ass Active Member

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    good thing
    i've never
    done it


    (No lanc, it wasn't Adler. :) )
     
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    Confuzlerised.
     
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    don't be, my last post there, i'd originally put those first 3 lines originally each in a different post, some phantom moderator come along, put them all in one post and added that last line :lol:
     
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    As long as the pilot can fly the 190 it should outclass the spit, just don't turn for long periods. roll around a bit!
     
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    I always liked the Spitfire (Hence the name). But sadly, it was outclassed. :crybaby:
     
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    Let the Hawker Typhoon take on the FW's. We Spit's can stick around and play with the those killer Bf's.:D
     
  18. DerAdlerIstGelandet

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    Typhoon would still have a tough time with the Fw-190.
     
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    Oh yeah, poke em' a bit.
     
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