The Best LONG RANGE All weather intercepor.

[FLYBOYJ]

I've seen that post before - but as all these first are touted only half of the stuff actually worked! That's not to say the bugs would of been corrected - bottom line the same job could of been (and was done) with F-106s, and CF-101s.

Bottom line PB the Arrow was a state of the art aircraft in its day - it had to potential but politics killed it along with the Canadian aircraft industry.

 

[pbfoot]

Well it certainly hammered the industry but its still alive and well I've heard its in the top 5 but have my doubts .

 

[Parmigiano]

Don'care about range and performances, I voted the Draken because I love her look!

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Well it certainly hammered the industry but its still alive and well I've heard its in the top 5 but have my doubts .

No I'd agree with that - I was impressed with the industry when I was there. Too much government interference and the unions are the problems I seen.

 

[pbfoot]

No I'd agree with that - I was impressed with the industry when I was there. Too much government interference and the unions are the problems I seen.

Ah yes unions they are dwindling in strength fast (thank god) as they only help the lazy
The government has made the industry sink or swim .The major problem for Bombardier now is to prove Embraer gets Brazilian gov't subsidies

 

[Matt308]

Not here in the States. Private industry unions are WAY down, but in gov't they are WAY up. And the Democrats just voted to ease the criteria for the creation of unions. Off topic, but it is disgusting when the union reps approach a company and its employess, demand that ONLY a vote for representation occur, 15% of employees vote with a simple majority saying they want a vote, union takes that to court and court makes a finding on behalf on unionizing the company employees. Unions served their purpose in days past. Now they are the scourge of innovation, efficiency, and employee/management relations.

I remember working on a fast frigate in dry dock, the welder needed his work area burnished prior to commencing. Due to union rules, even though he had a air grinder, he was not allowed to perform this 10 minute prep. He waited all day and went home having only completed about 6inches of his work. on unions!

 

[Jackson]

No mention of this interceptor

Specifications (MiG-25P 'Foxbat-A')
Data from The Great Book of Fighters [9]

General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 19.75 m (64 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 14.01 m (45 ft 11.5 in)
Height: 6.10 m (20 ft 0.25 in)
Wing area: 61.40 m² (660.93 ft²)
Empty weight: 20,000 kg (44,080 lb)
Loaded weight: 36,720 kg (80,952 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Tumansky R-15B-300 afterburning turbojets
Dry thrust: 73.5 kN (16,524 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 100.1 kN (22,494 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.83, 3,255 km/h (2,034 mph) at 13,000 m (42,650 ft), limited by engine redline
Range: 1,730 km (1,075 mi) with internal fuel
Service ceiling: 20,700 m (with 4 missiles) (67,915 ft)
Wing loading: 598 kg/m² (122.5 lb/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.41
Time to altitude: 8.9 min to 20,000 m (65,615 ft)

 

[FLYBOYJ]

No mention of this interceptor

Specifications (MiG-25P 'Foxbat-A')
Data from The Great Book of Fighters [9]

General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 19.75 m (64 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 14.01 m (45 ft 11.5 in)
Height: 6.10 m (20 ft 0.25 in)
Wing area: 61.40 m² (660.93 ft²)
Empty weight: 20,000 kg (44,080 lb)
Loaded weight: 36,720 kg (80,952 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Tumansky R-15B-300 afterburning turbojets
Dry thrust: 73.5 kN (16,524 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 100.1 kN (22,494 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.83, 3,255 km/h (2,034 mph) at 13,000 m (42,650 ft), limited by engine redline
Range: 1,730 km (1,075 mi) with internal fuel
Service ceiling: 20,700 m (with 4 missiles) (67,915 ft)
Wing loading: 598 kg/m² (122.5 lb/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.41
Time to altitude: 8.9 min to 20,000 m (65,615 ft)

As a straight interceptor it seems it would of done the job if it's intended combat scenario was put in front of it. It's operational record was pretty poor an Iranian F-5 shot one down, I think it had a 1 to 4 kill ratio.

 

[Jackson]

yep that is about right..

I gather it flys like a truck.. with a supercharged 454 (7.5 liter)

 

[FLYBOYJ]

yep that is about right..

I gather it flys like a truck.. with a supercharged 454 (7.5 liter)

Yep, and probably fell out of the sky like a brick....

 

[Matt308]

Like the famous Isreali run in the '70s. Went over like a bat out of hell, but burnt up her Tumansky engines along the way. Highly overrated bird for its time.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Mig-25 was fast and that is about it. As stated by others I am sure she flew like a brick. I will have to find the pics of the Foxbat that we found in Iraq. There were 2 of them. One had been blown up on take off trying to get off the runway.

 

[lesofprimus]

Heres a shot of one they tried to hide...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I dont have pics of that one, but I believe that was found in our camp as well and might have been the one that they "blew up" on the other side of camp for target practice.

 

[ohka345]

russian MiGs rock

poor foxbat...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Ever seen one up close? Why do they rock?

 

[Matt308]

MiG-21? Long range??

 

[FLYBOYJ]

MiG-21? Long range??

Take off, go fast, turn around, almost stall, red light comes on, final approach, land at 160, pray drag chute works....

 

[Matt308]

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I think he described most migs there.