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Not sure about that - the torque either goes to the cooling losses as you describe, or to the prop. Don't forget, with a rotary engine, the 'prop' shaft is bolted to the airframe.I have read that, apparently, Camel pilots could turn more tightly in the direction of the torque. This would have been true of any rotary engined design with the exception of a few German fighters such as the SSW D.III/IV who had the SH.III rotary. The SH.III was geared so that the prop to rotated in the opposite direction that the engine did. This largely, though not completely, eliminated torque and gyroscopic precession. I suppose you could argue whether that was a good thing or not since it eliminated the torque-turning feature but it probably reduced casualties among novice pilots and reduced the their learning curve.
I've also read that rotary engines absorb (waste) about 10% of their power output do to the air drag of the rotating cylinders....about 10% more than equivalent inline engine. Have you heard/read this?
The torque on the airframe exerted by the rotary engine, is: Torque (at prop shaft) + 10%? So, with equal power expended to rotate the same prop to make the same thrust, the rotary powered aircraft will still exert an additional 10% torque on the airframe. I would think that they, the aircraft riggers, would include some trim in the wings to help counter the engine torque. The pilots inputs just to keep the wings level would then be minimal at cruise and really only needed at possibly lower speeds with less air flow?
I think that we're having a terminology problem. Do you actually mean the stationary crankshaft? Unlike stationary aircraft engines, in which a turning crankshaft drives the propeller, in rotaries the whole engine spins around a stationary crankshaft. The prop is bolted directly to the engine and spins with it. The primary reason for the rotary configuration was to provide adequate cooling. Because the cylinder heads are perpendicular to the slipstream and whirling through the air, the engine stayed within safe temperature limits. Engine cooling was a challenge in the first decade of the 20th century, even with water-cooled engines, and rotaries presented a viable solution to the problem.the 'prop' shaft is bolted to the airframe.
Ive not read much about them. From looking at how they work the energy of the combustion is transmitted to the cylinders by the pistons acting sideways, the friction losses must have been high. Wiki made me laugh.I've also read that rotary engines absorb (waste) about 10% of their power output do to the air drag of the rotating cylinders....about 10% more than equivalent inline engine. Have you heard/read this?
Don't have to imagine it, I've spoken to pilots who've flown behind them, and after a weekend its bad enough...The other thing to remember about castor oil is that it's a laxative. With a total loss oil system the pilot would be getting big mouthfuls of it.
You can imagine the effect on them.
Free turbines like the PT-6 can and do idle with a feathered prop. If you're doing a single engine turn in East Podunk, Maine, and you don't want to blow away that un-chocked, un-tied-down TriPacer sitting across the ramp, you feather your right prop and goose the left just a bit, then feather it as you coast through the last 90° of turn to your spot at the pax gate, making sure you stop with your nosewheel cocked right. No propwash blasting back across the ramp at the "milkstool". And when you're done, you start the left engine in feather and just ease it to the edge of feather and play with it there til she starts to roll. "Nice little TriPacer, now, stay,...stay,...stay,...good girl!".Feathered is the blades at 90º to the plane of rotation - you don't have the prop in this condition with the engine running
In flight it produces a very pronunced braking effect. In the 1900, if we wanted to go down fast we would ease the power levers smoothly back to flight idle. As torque dropped almost to zero, the blades would flatten attempting to maintain governed RPM until they were against the low pitch stops and it was like having two barn doors out there. Certainly not negative thrust, but a huge braking effect, nonetheless. Done smoothly enough, and with well-timed trim adjustments, we could kill 30-50 KIAS and pick up a 1500-2000 FPM descent with a level deck angle and no change in prop noise. Pax seldom noticed.I doubt that this would produce a brake effect. Braking requires a Negative Pitch. At flat pitch the propeller is going round but producing zero thrust.
Another one of those WW myths. While what you posted about MEDICAL grade Castor oil is true recall that:The other thing to remember about castor oil is that it's a laxative. With a total loss oil system the pilot would be getting big mouthfuls of it.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I was talking about pistons...Free turbines like the PT-6 can and do idle with a feathered prop. If you're doing a single engine turn in East Podunk, Maine, and you don't want to blow away that un-chocked, un-tied-down TriPacer sitting across the ramp, you feather your right prop and goose the left just a bit, then feather it as you coast through the last 90° of turn to your spot at the pax gate. No propwash blasting back across the ramp at the "milkstool".
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Wes
Another one of those WW myths. While what you posted about MEDICAL grade Castor oil is true recall that:
1. Pilots wore scarfs around their necks. These served several purposes, neck chafing due to constant "head on a swivel" lookout for enemy aircraft and the wool collars of flight jackets. (b) Simple warmth. (c) Pulled up over their mouth and nose to protect against fuel and oil blow back and clean goggles of the same.
With respect to the guy who said point 3, pilots in WW1 had about 15 hrs flying experience, very little to do with combat manoeuvers and he didn't have some Fokker shooting at him. Also there were many engines fitted to a Sopwith Camel ( for example) all with different weights and power.#3. According to pilot memoirs and modern pilots flying exact replicas , the often-repeated tales about tricky aircraft handling due to the gyroscopic and torque effects of rotating engines—that the spinning mass of the engine made for very quick turns to the right and slow turns to the left—are exaggerated. "When you hear the stories about rotary engines being hard to fly, the problem was with the inexperienced people flying them," stated one pilot. "When I made my first flight in a rotary-powered aircraft, I landed and then realized that I hadn't noticed any gyroscopic effects. An experienced pilot automatically compensates for those things. Turns to the right might be a little quicker, but that is because the rotary engine tends to pull the nose down [in that direction], and you make a quicker descending turn than you make a climbing turn."
Others agreed: "There are small gyroscopic effects but nothing close to the exaggerated tales often repeated in print and in documentaries. You adjust for them much the same way you would if you were flying in mildly gusty conditions. The torque reactions are most notable during takeoff and gliding in for landing when 'blipping' the engine."
Other factors had a more pronounced effect on aircraft handling. Pilots noted that all the early rotary-powered planes had a lot of adverse yaw (the tendency of the plane's nose to point in the opposite direction of a bank when starting a turn), and all were tail-heavy, leading to a certain amount of instability in their handling.
I am going to maintain that the reports of trouser brown-out are grossly exaggerated and are attribitual to many causes besides the presence of Castor oil. Now there are no absolutes involving any thing human. So were some pilots affected...most likely yes but the vast majority were due to any number of other causes...bad water quality, bad food, fear, anxiety, poor sanitation.After three or four days of flying they start to feel the effects.
I guess that everyone knows what "P-factor" is but first I'll explain it. A prop driven aircraft with a right turning prop (as viewed from the cockpit) generates a spiral of powerful propwash that circles the fuselage in a clockwise direction. When the propwash gets to the vertical fin it pushes the fin over to the right, and the nose tries to go left. This is most noticeable on takeoff and the climb that follows, when the power level is high and the airspeed low, which makes the propwash strong and the directional righting effect of the fin low. In WWII this effect was called "torque" but in fast it was not the gyroscopic effect of the prop.
The way you correct for P-Factor is by applying right rudder. Most airplanes have at least the fin offset to help counter P-factor. Even the Ercoupe has some P-factor, even though steps were taken in the design to reduce it but using two fins outside the propwash and by pointing slightly to the right.
I just read where a P-38 pilot used P-Factor to an advantage. They were escorting bombers in Jan 1944 when they were attacked by 20 or so FW-190's from behind. He had just read an intelligence report that a P-38 pilot was able to evade a German attack by a right corkscrewing climb. So he tried that same tactic. What happened is that he climbed, which of course slowed the airplane a great deal and the Germans climbed too, firing away. The difference was that the P-38 had no P-Factor to contend with,and the Germans had to try to get their noses far enough to the right on him to hit him. He saw one FW-190 after another behind him try to get the nose around, at a high angle of attack and relatively low airspeed, and then flip over to the left when the combination of factors led to a stall and a spin.
When he got home he found that the P-38's left wing had so many holes in it that it had to be replaced. But nothing vital had been hit.. , .
Great post, apart from the above "bit" this is part of the human condition, learning something is one thing, you can learn somethings so well they become almost reflex actions. Unlearning a reflex action and replacing it with another action can be difficult.I hope the above helps in the understanding of the left-yawing forces upon a propeller-driven airplane. If the prop rotates to the left, everything is the opposite... that's what bit the Tempest pilot who was used to a Corsair.
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And that's why I don't talk about which way an aircraft will swing, or what rudder inputs you need. Both the aircraft that I fly regularly have 'backwards' turning propellers. Just use whatever you need to stay straight.Great post, apart from the above "bit" this is part of the human condition, learning something is one thing, you can learn somethings so well they become almost reflex actions. Unlearning a reflex action and replacing it with another action can be difficult.
I am British and worked all over the world driving right-hand cars in UK and Europe also left hand drive all over the world including UK. Just when you think you are the master of it you set off in an "English" car in the town you were born in and drive on the wrong side of a road for 50 yards until you see some "idiot" coming towards you on a Sunday morning, and no, no alcohol had been taken.And that's why I don't talk about which way an aircraft will swing, or what rudder inputs you need. Both the aircraft that I fly regularly have 'backwards' turning propellers. Just use whatever you need to stay straight.