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billrunnels

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B-17 Bombardier
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The view from the nose of a B-17 was breathtaking. We referred to it as the "Greenhouse". I remember the first time I sat in the bombardier's seat, it was a little challenging. When our position in the bomber stream was back a distance you could see formations ahead of you for miles. If contrails were in play, it was like driving on a highway. The first two bombs out of every lead aircraft were smoke markers. These alerted other bombardiers in the formation to the second they were to release their bombs. They also left a spiral trail toward the target helping the following aircraft to identify the target area. Our fighter escort were close at hand and often appeared to be having fun. The lead would snap roll and the other three would do the same. A somber moment took over when flak filled the view. All in all, the bombardier had the advantage of being first over the target and first back home. A lasting experience for one's memory bank.
 
Fascinating description to say the least Bill.
I was thinking about asking you about how it felt to be flying right behind that plexiglass nose on the B-17 but your narrative is spot on.
Unforgettable experience for sure.

How safe did you feel knowing you had the chin turret twin .50 cals at your disposal?
It's well documented that the guys before you had to endure FW-190 head on passes with a single .30 caliber machine gun inflicting demorilizing losses among the bombers

Cheers
 
It must have been a great view, especially in a huge, clear sky. Did you ever feel vulnerable Bill, perched up front, sort of 'out in the open' ?
 
Fascinating description to say the least Bill.
I was thinking about asking you about how it felt to be flying right behind that plexiglass nose on the B-17 but your narrative is spot on.
Unforgettable experience for sure.

How safe did you feel knowing you had the chin turret twin .50 cals at your disposal?
It's well documented that the guys before you had to endure FW-190 head on passes with a single .30 caliber machine gun inflicting demorilizing losses among the bombers

Cheers
The twin .50's were a comfort factor. I don't remember being behind the plexiglass nose being concerning with the exception of one mission, the nose had several patches and that caught my attention,:oops:
 
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A few years ago there was an article in the USAF Museum Newsletter by the lead bombardier for the 15th Air Force. There was one mission where the 15th and 8th hit the same city in Germany. He said that after he dropped the bombs they made a left turn to head back south to their base in Italy. As they turned he could see the 8th Air Force, to the West, fighting their way back home to England. And as they continued the turn he could see the 15th Air Force to the South, fighting its way to the target.

Imagine what that looked like!

After he war he met Germans who said that was the mission that convinced them the war was lost. To see that many heavy bombers, thousands of miles away from the factories where they were built, hitting a single city in Germany, made them realize just how much trouble they were in.

Thanks, Bill!
 
A few years ago there was an article in the USAF Museum Newsletter by the lead bombardier for the 15th Air Force. There was one mission where the 15th and 8th hit the same city in Germany. He said that after he dropped the bombs they made a left turn to head back south to their base in Italy. As they turned he could see the 8th Air Force, to the West, fighting their way back home to England. And as they continued the turn he could see the 15th Air Force to the South, fighting its way to the target.

Imagine what that looked like!

After he war he met Germans who said that was the mission that convinced them the war was lost. To see that many heavy bombers, thousands of miles away from the factories where they were built, hitting a single city in Germany, made them realize just how much trouble they were in.

Thanks, Bill!
I was on that mission. Target an ordnance Depot at Bayreuth, Germany. The date April 5, 1945. The 8th was protected by 182 P-51's. There were a lot of aircraft over the target. Our squadron had to abort the initial drop due to B-24's from the 15th sliding under us in the drop zone. Made a 360 and dropped successfully on the second run. We were in the air 11:30 that day.
 
I was on that mission. Target an ordnance Depot at Bayreuth, Germany. The date April 5, 1945. The 8th was protected by 182 P-51's. There were a lot of aircraft over the target. Our squadron had to abort our initial drop due to B-24's from the 15th sliding under us in the drop zone. We made a 360 and dropped successfully on the second run. We were in the air 11:30 that day.

Amazing Bill, quite a experience that missions must have been.

If a 360 was to be made over the target, how many minutes did it usually take to the bombers to be on the bomb run again?

Cheers
 
Amazing Bill, quite a experience that missions must have been.

If a 360 was to be made over the target, how many minutes did it usually take to the bombers to be on the bomb run again?

Cheers
It took about an hour. Other aircraft from the 303rd showed 10:30 and we were 11 hrs 30 min.. Took time to return to the bomber stream for the second run.
 
That's a really exhausting length of time to be airborne, at that altitude, and alert all the time !
It was a long, long day. A few of our squadron aircraft had to refuel on the Continent to make it back home.
 
That's a really exhausting length of time to be airborne, at that altitude, and alert all the time !
We exhausted our oxygen supply on the way back, while still over enemy territory, and had to drop down to a very low altitude to avoid radar etc.
 
I have fired the flexible .50 cal. in the nose of a B-25 in flight at drums on the ground. How would ever hit an aircraft closing on you at high speed with the flexible gun is beyond me. A chin turret with 2 .50 cal guns would make me feel more comfortable. My hat is off too you and all the crews that endured those missions.
 

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