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but I think we should recognize it was a ghastly mistake.
we did less to them than they did to the Jews, the Poles, the Ukrainians...
Nonsense, the Germans knew that deprived of fish and chips the British would have surrendered in a week
Boy, you guys really jumped on my back... what I meant by my question was to determine what is the objective of the thread and what are "bombers". I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.
Well, we might all have misunderstood your question, but I didn't see hurt feelings.Boy, you guys really jumped on my back... what I meant by my question was to determine what is the objective of the thread and what are "bombers". I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.
That was my thinking too. Four engined bombers couldn't hit Japan, but the B-25 Mitchell could.I wouldn't put any four engined bombers in my top 10
what are "bombers"
From an aircraft carrier that put them in range...That was my thinking too. Four engined bombers couldn't hit Japan, but the B-25 Mitchell could.
Yes, of course. It's the compact size whilst credible hitting power that makes me choose the twins over four engine bombers as the top picks. B-17 or other four engined bombers aren't taking off from Hornet, and they couldn't get within range of Japan until thousands of US Marines were dead taking the forward islands. But of course the B-17 has to be in the top ten.From an aircraft carrier that put them in range...
That was my thinking too. Four engined bombers couldn't hit Japan, but the B-25 Mitchell could.
Mission accomplished. The intention was for all aircraft to be lost. Had the aircrew all made it to free China the mission would have gone down perfectly.Other than from the USS Hornet in what was essentially a one-way mission, in which all the aircraft were lost
Mission accomplished. The intention was for all aircraft to be lost. Had the aircrew all made it to free China the mission would have gone down perfectly.
Certainly not. I imagine they'd run out of volunteers, for one. And Mitchells.This sort of raid couldn't be the basis of a bombing campaign.
One of the myths that persist to this day, was that Dresden was a cultural center and had no military value.
That was of course, started by Goebbels in his press release (and is still quoted by numerous sites today).
The reality was, Dresden was a transit hub with rail yards and roads leading to all points.
There were numerous Luftwaffe bases in the vicinity: fighters, bombers, transport/logistics and a flying school (luftkreigschule).
In town, there were headquarters for the Luftwaffe (Luftgaukommando IV) and Wehrmacht as well as supply depots for army and air force.
As an aside, the Gestapo had headquarters and a prison there, too.
And, at the time that Dresden was bombed, the roads and town were packed with Wehrmacht and SS elements retreating from the east, either continuing by road or by rail.
It's unfortunate that Dresden was bombed, but it did possess military assets.
Except, as I mentioned earlier, B-29s were striking the home islands from China early 1944 during Operation Matterhorn.
Given the general inaccuracy of bombing and target identification, how would "sparing the city" be done? Perhaps if the B-17 and Lanc's were all carrying JDAMs we could hope for your hope, but without the GPS satellites in orbit, JDAMs are not much better than dumb bombs.I think it could have been possible to target all of those military and military-industrial or logistical assets without incinerating the city and general population to the extent that was done.
At least 1/2 of the "decision makers" in the Japanese government councils didn't think so at any time in 1944. The 8-man council was split 4-4 on the question of surrender, and the 6 man council was split 3-3, EVEN AFTER the nukes and the firebombings and the destruction of the fleet at Kure and the destruction of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria by the Russians. The Emperor raised his voice in favor of surrender, and barely escaped the coup attempt to annul his surrender.Isn't this well past the tipping point in the war though?
Given the general inaccuracy of bombing and target identification, how would "sparing the city" be done? Perhaps if the B-17 and Lanc's were all carrying JDAMs we could hope for your hope, but without the GPS satellites in orbit, JDAMs are not much better than dumb bombs.