Typhoon with big wing?
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buffnut453
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From Wikipedia:
In 1941, Hawker tendered the Hawker P.1009 "Fleet Fighter" in response to specification N.11/40 for a carrier-based fighter. A new centre section was to be fitted, extending the wingspan to over 45 ft (14 m), and thus increasing the wing area; the wings themselves were to be folding units, which swung and folded parallel to the fuselage, with the leading edges pointing upwards, much like the folding wings on the Grumman F6F Hellcat. The rear fuselage was to be longer and a v-style arrestor hook and associated catapult-launching gear was to be fitted. The design chosen was to result in the postwar Blackburn Firebrand design.
Dunno if it's related to the above photo, but it's the only reference I've found to a "big wing" Tiffie.
In 1941, Hawker tendered the Hawker P.1009 "Fleet Fighter" in response to specification N.11/40 for a carrier-based fighter. A new centre section was to be fitted, extending the wingspan to over 45 ft (14 m), and thus increasing the wing area; the wings themselves were to be folding units, which swung and folded parallel to the fuselage, with the leading edges pointing upwards, much like the folding wings on the Grumman F6F Hellcat. The rear fuselage was to be longer and a v-style arrestor hook and associated catapult-launching gear was to be fitted. The design chosen was to result in the postwar Blackburn Firebrand design.
Dunno if it's related to the above photo, but it's the only reference I've found to a "big wing" Tiffie.
According to my references the Typhoon IB serial R8762 was used for tests of additional fuel tanks that increased the range from 970km to 1770km. These pics were taken in 1943. Also looking at the wing I get the impression it isn't of the larger wingspan. What is more it seems that these images show two different planes.
fubar57
General
From "Typhoon/Tempest in action","....There was another study that reduced the wingspan to 39 feet 6 inches, while yet another study extended the wing to 44 feet 2 inches. In both cases, the projected performance figures were disappointing and both wing projects were abandoned without ever having being flown."
buffnut453
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Sounds like the photo is mis-captioned. It seems pretty clear that a "big wing" Typhoon never flew and I agree with Wurger's comment that the wing looks pretty standard (at least to my old, tired eyes).
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I agree. Here is the Typhoon IB serial R8762 used for testing the underwigs fuel tanks. The tail band is the same way painted like the one in the first pic with the Typhoon having the flaps open. Please note the dark area without the Sky paint applied at the panel line between the fusealge and the tail sections. Also the same is the rudder camo DG patch with the characteristic darker discolouration at the bottom part of the spot..
IMHO this is the same Typhoon seen from the front .
Crimea_River
Marshal
Maybe they are talking about the tailplanes. Not up on my Typhoon facts but weren't those lengthened at one point?
buffnut453
Captain
Yes, they were...and the upper photo appears to have a larger tailplane than the aircraft in the lower photo.
fubar57
General
The Typhoon Mk.Ib received Tempest tailplains, looking for a date for the change
The tailplane change over was around the end of May '43. This was brought about do to the loss of the tail section on many early Typhoons. The addition of plates around the rear of the fuselage also helped but didn't totally solve the problem
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Shortround6
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I believe the larger tailplanes were fitted to the "bomber" versions, at least the ones cleared to carry 1000lb bombs, but most of the service planes also converted to 4 blade props?
When they first trialed the bigger tailplane I have no idea.
When they first trialed the bigger tailplane I have no idea.
fubar57
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Cross posted with you SR
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MIflyer
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From the book "Flying to the Limit" (not the one by Roland Beamont):
".... later aircraft were fitted with an inertia weight and a carefully mass balanced elevator (late production Typhoons were also fitted with the enlarged Tempest tail to improve longitudinal stability, especially when carrying two 1000 lb bombs)."
The problem that sparked the new horizontal tail was that the original Typhoon had some instability in yaw and pitch.
By the way, why did they build both Typhoons and Tempests at the same time? The Typhoon was designed by the Hawker company but it was built by Gloster. If the Tornado had gone into production (Typhoon with a Vulture engine) it would have been built by Avro. As it turned out for both the Manchester and Tornado, the Vulture engine was aptly named.
".... later aircraft were fitted with an inertia weight and a carefully mass balanced elevator (late production Typhoons were also fitted with the enlarged Tempest tail to improve longitudinal stability, especially when carrying two 1000 lb bombs)."
The problem that sparked the new horizontal tail was that the original Typhoon had some instability in yaw and pitch.
By the way, why did they build both Typhoons and Tempests at the same time? The Typhoon was designed by the Hawker company but it was built by Gloster. If the Tornado had gone into production (Typhoon with a Vulture engine) it would have been built by Avro. As it turned out for both the Manchester and Tornado, the Vulture engine was aptly named.
Which picture do you mean?
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buffnut453
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The 2 pics in the OP.
