Typhoon with big wing?

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I've came across the photo, captioned as 'Picture 25: Typhoon Mk.1B, experiment with bigger wing' (or along these lines). I'd appreciate any further info on that
On another photo is an 'usual' Typhoon.

 
Two words within the red ellipse mean ' increased wing area'.
'Normal' flap(s) are called 'landeklappe(n)' in German.
 
From Wikipedia:

In 1941, Hawker tendered the Hawker P.1009 "Fleet Fighter" in response to specification N.11/40 for a carrier-based fighter. A new centre section was to be fitted, extending the wingspan to over 45 ft (14 m), and thus increasing the wing area; the wings themselves were to be folding units, which swung and folded parallel to the fuselage, with the leading edges pointing upwards, much like the folding wings on the Grumman F6F Hellcat. The rear fuselage was to be longer and a v-style arrestor hook and associated catapult-launching gear was to be fitted. The design chosen was to result in the postwar Blackburn Firebrand design.

Dunno if it's related to the above photo, but it's the only reference I've found to a "big wing" Tiffie.
 
According to my references the Typhoon IB serial R8762 was used for tests of additional fuel tanks that increased the range from 970km to 1770km. These pics were taken in 1943. Also looking at the wing I get the impression it isn't of the larger wingspan. What is more it seems that these images show two different planes.
 
From "Typhoon/Tempest in action","....There was another study that reduced the wingspan to 39 feet 6 inches, while yet another study extended the wing to 44 feet 2 inches. In both cases, the projected performance figures were disappointing and both wing projects were abandoned without ever having being flown."
 
buffnut453 said:
Sounds like the photo is mis-captioned. ...
Click to expand...

I agree. Here is the Typhoon IB serial R8762 used for testing the underwigs fuel tanks. The tail band is the same way painted like the one in the first pic with the Typhoon having the flaps open. Please note the dark area without the Sky paint applied at the panel line between the fusealge and the tail sections. Also the same is the rudder camo DG patch with the characteristic darker discolouration at the bottom part of the spot..



IMHO this is the same Typhoon seen from the front .

 
Rather no Andy. Only prototype had a rudder of the smaller chord as memo serves. What is more, all online tlanslators and my German-Polish dictionary say that flügelfläche = wing surface.
 
The Typhoon Mk.Ib received Tempest tailplains, looking for a date for the change


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The tailplane change over was around the end of May '43. This was brought about do to the loss of the tail section on many early Typhoons. The addition of plates around the rear of the fuselage also helped but didn't totally solve the problem
 
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I believe the larger tailplanes were fitted to the "bomber" versions, at least the ones cleared to carry 1000lb bombs, but most of the service planes also converted to 4 blade props?

When they first trialed the bigger tailplane I have no idea.
 
From the book "Flying to the Limit" (not the one by Roland Beamont):

".... later aircraft were fitted with an inertia weight and a carefully mass balanced elevator (late production Typhoons were also fitted with the enlarged Tempest tail to improve longitudinal stability, especially when carrying two 1000 lb bombs)."

The problem that sparked the new horizontal tail was that the original Typhoon had some instability in yaw and pitch.

By the way, why did they build both Typhoons and Tempests at the same time? The Typhoon was designed by the Hawker company but it was built by Gloster. If the Tornado had gone into production (Typhoon with a Vulture engine) it would have been built by Avro. As it turned out for both the Manchester and Tornado, the Vulture engine was aptly named.
 
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