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Shinpachi, have divers ever located the #1 G4M or do they just have a general dea where it ditched at?
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Thanks for all the intell ! I knew somebody out there would be able to fill in the blanks. Do you think his intention was to purposely ram an American plane because of the brakes or accidentally because of them?We should remember that, as of August 19 1945 in Ie-shima, both countries were still under the state of war.
IJN personnels like 302Ku in Atsugi airbase showed strong resistance, in the form of uprising, to the government's decision for surrender.
The 2 Bettys flown to the Ie-shima were the oldest model of G4M1 becuase naval officials thought it was too early to show the enemy their latest models when the war was not formally over yet. They would not have hesitated to call such black cross as green cross with excuse that Japanese used to call the beautiful black hairs like "Green black hairs". Green originally meant "vivid", not the term for color.
The flap trouble of No.1 was caused by the aged electric circuits. Pilot was unable to fix it but warned on radio "Land immediately or you will be shot down" by the US Forces on the ground. As the brake condition was also not good, he was about to ram a US plane parked beside the runway like Kamikaze.
The point to understand the Ie-shima situation would be that the war was not over until September 2, 1945.
Like to know that myself.Shinpachi, have divers ever located the #1 G4M or do they just have a general dea where it ditched at?
Shinpachi, have divers ever located the #1 G4M or do they just have a general dea where it ditched at?
Thanks for all the intell ! I knew somebody out there would be able to fill in the blanks. Do you think his intention was to purposely ram an American plane because of the brakes or accidentally because of them?
That's a good debate, the preponerance of the evidence goes to Cyonos (κυάνεος) which is still used today, though reprenting a different shade (Cyan).Depends on how ancient you consider ancient...
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-ancient-Greeks-did-not-have-name-for-color-blue
Go back and look at the photos taken during the arrival of the G4Ms - there's plenty of green around to use as a base - such as foilage and U.S. equipment.Guys,
Seriously, do you think that all the GI's who sent letters home, the Life magazine correspondents' description and 345th BG personnel who escorted the Bettys to Ieshima describing 'green crosses' were color blind? Or is it a fable like the "Emperor's New Clothes" where everyone was saying look at those beautiful green crosses when in reality they were black!
Sorry to rock your boat but there is no doubt that the crosses were a dark black green probably IJN dark green camouflage paint with possibly some black added due to shortage of paint. However, the overall "tint" was green and a scan of the Betty that left Ieshima very late in the day of the 19th August 1945 looks black but I believe this is due to the inherent inaccuracies of the dyes used in Kodachrome processing and perhaps also because the Kodak Wratten filter was not used to correct for the very late afternoon sunlight (note that white appears yellow). The fact that it looks black in the photos does not mean it was black.
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The close-up 2nd photo shows what it would look like when corrected with a Wratten filter.
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BTW the above pics are the Betty that ditched off the coast of Japan due to insufficient fuel. This was due to the US Air Force personnel tasked with refuelling not completely filling the outer wing tanks of the Betty which need topping up after the initial fill. Of course, whether this was by design, or an error on their part, is open to question.
Darryl