swampyankee
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Overall, however, I don't think the P-40 could be much improved without the use of a full-scale wind tunnel, as was done with the F4F. The USAAC had other fighters in service or nearing production, but none of these were better. (some with argue the P-39 was, but I disagree: the mid-mounted engine caused a lot of compromises in flight characteristics that could not be overcome. The USAAC needed a fighter with Bf109-like range about as much as it needed triplanes)
If you're going to put the Merlin into an interceptor fighter then surely the Cobra is the better candidate as it's smaller, lighter and faster than the Warhawk.Yes, P-39 was never an answer to the AAF prayers.
The P-40 was no less streamlined than Spitfire, Fw 190, let alone Zero, F4F or G.55. No need for wind tunnel that much (the historical P-38 needed it badly, though), what was dearly needed was a far better engine than the plain-vanilla V-1710 of 1940-42.
If you're going to put the Merlin into an interceptor fighter then surely the Cobra is the better candidate as it's smaller, lighter and faster than the Warhawk.
I agree that for the two stage Merlin, the Mustang. The single speed Merlin, the Cobra or Tomahawk. The 2 speed Merlin, the Kittyhawk.Two things might interfere:
- Someone needs to redesign the crankcase of a Merlin, with separate reduction gearing, so the engine can fit without the extension shaft going through the pilot. It probably can be done, the V-1650-5 was supposed to feature remote reduction gearing, but that was in design phase in late 1943/early 1944 historically, and I don't know whether there was any -5 produced.
- P-51 is an even better candidate.
I agree that for the two stage Merlin, the Mustang. The single speed Merlin, the Cobra or Tomahawk. The 2 speed Merlin, the Kittyhawk.
Any suggestions for the bomber fleet?
I don't see how you could beat the bombers that they had, with the possible exception of the British Mosquito, but being wooden, that's going to restrict you to operating in temperate climates, so that would mean operating restrictions in the USA.Any suggestions for the bomber fleet?
I don't see how you could beat the bombers that they had, with the possible exception of the British Mosquito, but being wooden, that's going to restrict you to operating in temperate climates, so that would mean operating restrictions in the USA.
I don't see how you could beat the bombers that they had, with the possible exception of the British Mosquito, but being wooden, that's going to restrict you to operating in temperate climates, so that would mean operating restrictions in the USA.
Even if the glue problem could have been (or was) solved or if you built a metal equivalent, the problem with a Mosquito like aircraft in 1938-42 is the engines.
The Mosquito was originally a 1000lb bomb load aircraft, perhaps in part due the size of the british bombs. However it's engines also grew in power with very little gain in weight (until the two stage engines) as the boost limits were pushed. A 1941 Mosquito with 9lb boost limit?
An American Mosquito, if using Packard Merlins won't show up in service until the spring or summer of 1942 using V-1650-1 engines and then at the cost of two P-40Fs for every such plane. If using Allisons such a plane could be built earlier but performance is questionable. You have 150hp less per engine and compared to an A-20 you have 900hp less for take off or about 72% of the power. Things get a lot closer at 12-14,000ft and the Allisons are more streamline. You could try turbo Allisons and pick up a bit at sea level and a lot at higher altitudes but there aren't a lot of turbos to go around and in 1940-1941 there weren't a lot of Allisons either, in 1942 they built more Allisons most months than they did in all of 1940, 1941 saw 6400 Allisons built and 1942 saw 14,900. US turbo installations weren't as well sorted out in 1941-42 as they would be later.
An A-20 with Allisons would be an interesting plane, but would it really be any better than the existing A-20s?
Give the P36 a 2 speed P&W 1830-33, it would boost top speed up to around 325 mph at 17,000 feet as well as adding to climb rate above 15,000 feet as well.
We have P36's in the inventory so we might as well use them. P40 would be faster, P36 should climb and turn better as well as being easier to maintain. Deploy both of them in the Pacific to the same spots. Maybe P36 gives top cover to P40's, P43 above both of them.The P-40 (no letter) was good for perhaps 350 mph at 17000 ft?
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We have P36's in the inventory so we might as well use them. P40 would be faster, P36 should climb and turn better as well as being easier to maintain. Deploy both of them in the Pacific to the same spots. Maybe P36 gives top cover to P40's, P43 above both of them.
P36 and P40 4 50's with 200 rpg, back armor and self sealing tanks.What level of firepower, protection and fuel tankage should we envision for P-36 and P-40 in 1941-42?
Now that we're at American fighters - what might be the proposals for an alternative 2-engined fighter, a role historically took by P-38? Provided Lockheed goes twin, of course.
But it only arrives at the same time as the Corsair and requires twin. Engine training, so no.P36 and P40 4 50's with 200 rpg, back armor and self sealing tanks.
Alternate to P38, that's easy for me, no secret I'm a fan of the Grumman F5F. Build it instead of the Wildcat.
Long nose and long engine nacelles 4 50's 400 rpg with 279 gallons of fuel comes in at 10,900. Add turbo chargers 500 pounds
Add 150 pounds of armor
Add 150 pounds for self sealing tanks. Lowering fuel down to 250 gallons
Weight is now 11,700
Add a 75 gallon tank to each outer wing, weight comes up to 12,000, fuel brings weight up to 12,900.
That's 400 gallons of fuel and it weighs 1,500 pounds less than an early P38 with 300 gallons.
Speed should be same as early P38 but with better climb, better dive and more maneuverable(weighs 1,500 pounds less, has 100 more hp, was dived vertically to 505 mph)
and it's carrier capable.
I think you mean P-40 gives top cover to P-36 allowing the later to go after the bombers. There's only a couple hundred 2 stage R-1830's built by end 1941, but hundreds of Packard Merlins.We have P36's in the inventory so we might as well use them. P40 would be faster, P36 should climb and turn better as well as being easier to maintain. Deploy both of them in the Pacific to the same spots. Maybe P36 gives top cover to P40's, P43 above both of them.