Rosco P. Coltraine
Airman
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- Jan 12, 2012
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If dumping the guns, turrets and ammo gives you enough better performance it may be worth it. Usually to get both enough higher and faster required a smaller airframe and a smaller bomb load too. Existing designs could not be made to fly high enough or fast enough simply by leaving stuff out.
The high/fast idea was tried for a number of years in the late 40s and 50s but it didn't sink in for a while that an unmanned missile would always be able to fly a bit higher and faster than a manned bomber.
Tis could be done with smaller aircraft such as the Mosquito but if you want a large payload you need a large aircraft and it becomes impractical. Unarmed recce aircraft worked on the same principle
To be fair;
The doctrine (probably mostly the responsibility of Billy Mitchell) dated from the mid-to-early 1930's when fighters were much slower and easier for gunners to target and damage.
What can be faulted is the USAAC/USAAF's adherence to the doctrine long after it was clearly obsolete.
<snip>(makes ya wonder if the Bombadier was needed) <snip>
There goes the thought of precision bombing , it was area bombing with a fancy name like pre enjoyed automobile instead of used carToward the end of the European daylight bomber campaign, it was comman practice to have only two to three bombardiers in each group. A lead, with a replacement or two in case lead was lost. All of the other planes released their bombs on lead's signal. This cut down on manpower requirments a bit and also the need for every plane to have a bombsight to fall into enemy hands. (Although I'm quite certain that by this time, the Germans had plenty of captured examples of the Norden on hand.) They would also place the "lead" at various places in the formation. Defensive fighters couldn't just assume the lead bombardier was in the first aircraft.
Toward the end of the European daylight bomber campaign, it was comman practice to have only two to three bombardiers in each group. A lead, with a replacement or two in case lead was lost. All of the other planes released their bombs on lead's signal. This cut down on manpower requirments a bit and also the need for every plane to have a bombsight to fall into enemy hands. (Although I'm quite certain that by this time, the Germans had plenty of captured examples of the Norden on hand.) They would also place the "lead" at various places in the formation. Defensive fighters couldn't just assume the lead bombardier was in the first aircraft.
There goes the thought of precision bombing , it was area bombing with a fancy name like pre enjoyed automobile instead of used car
call it whatever you want but its like IMHO of putting lipstick on a pig it area bombing in everything but nameNot really. Some guys are better than others for specific tasks. The lead crew concept was adopted because some navigators didn't get lost and some bombardiers got very good results. When you consider that factory and assembly and refining complex's were about the size of several squadrons in close formation, then bombing on your best crew made sense - if the objective was as precise as a Catalytic cracker within a refinery as your prime AP, then the lead crew was tasked to use that as their aiming point.
Pretty impossible at night with hundreds of a/c weaving into a target essentially on their own but doable in tight formation with good visibility and a navigator bomardier who could get you to the target, find the aiming point and control That B-17/B-24 all the way to that target.
Tis could be done with smaller aircraft such as the Mosquito but if you want a large payload you need a large aircraft and it becomes impractical. Unarmed recce aircraft worked on the same principle
Not if you weigh them down with defensive armament and crew.Large aircraft can be made fast: .
That old myth, again; the Mosquito was not a private venture, though de Havilland had to fight tooth-and-nail to get it accepted. Sir Wilfrid Freeman, Air Council Member for Research Development, backed it, and the Air Ministry issued Specification B.1/40 specifically for it.the Mosquito was a private venture and more or less or fluke
Not really. Some guys are better than others for specific tasks. The lead crew concept was adopted because some navigators didn't get lost and some bombardiers got very good results. When you consider that factory and assembly and refining complex's were about the size of several squadrons in close formation, then bombing on your best crew made sense - if the objective was as precise as a Catalytic cracker within a refinery as your prime AP, then the lead crew was tasked to use that as their aiming point.
Pretty impossible at night with hundreds of a/c weaving into a target essentially on their own but doable in tight formation with good visibility and a navigator bomardier who could get you to the target, find the aiming point and control That B-17/B-24 all the way to that target.
What is a 'fluke'?
Wasn't the concept of bombing on the lead less about getting the best to do the jon and more about minimising the time the bombers spent over target? After all, with the Norden a long straight flight path to target was required, and if each crew bombed individually they were extremely vulnerable to flak or fighter attack, not to mention the extra time required to do it this way (only the early raids with relatively small formations bombed individually - can't imagine how long it woul dhave taken if they still did it with the 1000 bomber raids of 1944 onwards). The advantage of bombing in formation was that the defensive formations remained in their mutual defensive fire positions.
Wuzak - flying formation on lead, and bombing on lead certainly had an advantige of maintaining squadron formation integrity - but the whole objective was to destroy the targets. Period. When the Lead Crew methods were introduced, the Automatic Flight Control Equipment was also introduced and the Bomabdier essentially flew the airplane - taking the ability of the pilot to make evasive manuevers (inckluding deviating from the bomb run out of the pilot's hands.
Some factories may have been sprawling complexes larger than the size of an 8th AF "close" bomber formation. Others were not. Some that were spread out had large amounts of space between sectiosn - like oil refineries.