Kevin J
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What I'm saying is that a deck edge development of the Ark Royal is feasible in 1940.
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What I'm saying is that a deck edge development of the Ark Royal is feasible in 1940.But why would USS Wasp operate a single seat, or for that matter a regular two-seat Firefly?
Perhaps you've wandered into the wrong thread?
But what's that got to do with the feasibility of a single seat Firefly?What I'm saying is that a deck edge development of the Ark Royal is feasible in 1940.
Nothing.But what's that got to do with the feasibility of a single seat Firefly?
USS Wasp had a deck edge lift in 1940, so it's both feasible and practicalable.
For the single-seat or original dual seat Firefly Ark Royal's lifts are fine as they were.Not for an Ark Royal designed in 1934.
Personally, I think you'd get a single seat Fulmar with a two stage Merlin into service quicker than a Firefly. Look how long it took to get a decent two seat Firefly.Nothing.
When would you expect the Royal Navy to meet the Japanese on the high seas? What aircraft would you equip your extra carriers with? Even if you manage to achieve parity in numbers with the Japanese on carriers, Swordfish, Skuas and Fulmars are not a match with Kates, Vals and Zeroes. I believe the best thing the Royal Navy could do is stay far away from the Japanese Navy and fight the Japanese Navy with landbased aircraft like Boston's and Beaufighters.Simple solution, don't build the KGV class battleships, instead modernise Tiger a Iron Duke class and build Improved Ark Royal class with deck edge lifts. That way we have 5 extra carriers to oppose the IJN.
I'd expect to have 3 Ark Royal type carriers with a deck edge lift ready for service 1940/41 for the Indian Ocean, with another 2 being delivered in 1942 for the Pacific Ocean. Equipment: fighters, Sea Hurricane Ib/c for 1940/41, and IIb/c for 1941/42; Scout / Dive-bomber, Fulmar II for 1941, Fulmar III for late 1942 with Merlin 32 so Pacific Ocean service in 1943; TBR, Swordfish for night attack, Albacore for radar equipped daytime recce. Any Seafires would be allocated to the armoured carriers if available. I'd expect carrier losses as the Americans lost 5 out of 7 in that period. The RN only needed to stay out of the way because it was numerically outnumbered in carriers. Perhaps 3 losses tops, maybe fewer as USN fighting IJN too.When would you expect the Royal Navy to meet the Japanese on the high seas? What aircraft would you equip your extra carriers with? Even if you manage to achieve parity in numbers with the Japanese on carriers, Swordfish, Skuas and Fulmars are not a match with Kates, Vals and Zeroes. I believe the best thing the Royal Navy could do is stay far away from the Japanese Navy and fight the Japanese Navy with landbased aircraft like Boston's and Beaufighters.
These numbers are for a "proposed" aircraft? You can make up any number you want for a "proposed" aircraftThere was a proposed single-seater proposed in lieu of the two-seater. From what I recall it weighed a considerable amount less and had a top-speed of around 382 mph. Increase the critical altitude to 20000 feet and you'd see an increase to 408 mph.
USS Wasp had a deck edge lift in 1940, so it's both feasible and practicalable. I'm trying to get some extra aircraft carriers for late 1941 to contest the IJN in the Indian Ocean and Pacific, so not building the KGV class gives me that spare shipbuilding capacity. Tiger, the Iron Duke class are inferior to them, but available with modernization. They can even be converted into Hybrids able to operate floatplanes oft an aft deck and hanger for escort duties. Worn out by 45 of course and expendable.
The RN didn't have deck edge lifts until after WW2.The USN, according to an article by, of I recall, Friedman, had problems with deck edge lifts being damaged in the North Atlantic, at least on the Midway class ships. The RN's experience was probably similar.
That's why I was trying to figure out how to extrapolate weight changes with the same engine-power: I figured if I could calculate the numbers and get an answer.These numbers are for a "proposed" aircraft? You can make up any number you want for a "proposed" aircraft
...................extrapolate weight changes with the same engine-power: I figured if I could calculate the numbers and get an answer.
Fulmar production began before any Martlets had been received by the UK. Grumman could not produce enough F4F's to meet the needs of the USN, until 1942, much less all the needs of the RN's FAA and the USN.
But again, is [a single-seat Fulmar] able to match existing naval fighters that the FAA was receiving from the USA in performance? And what about in numbers?