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- Jul 13, 2020
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If you are going to include Helicopters then I would include twoMaybe the F-104 and Bell UH-1 could also be added to the list?
A lot of US aircraft were obviously not going to sell well because of their original roles made them to large, complex and specialised - strategic bombers such as the B-52 and the B-58 Hustler were hardly going to sell well abroad. The same could be said for naval carrierborne aircraft such as the A-6 Intruder or A-5 Vigilante, or even the Vought A-7 and F-8.
No wonders the F-16 totally beat it.The Cobra didn't have radar either
The Huey Cobra - the YF-17 did have radarNo wonders the F-16 totally beat it.
Correct and nice shotCorrect me if I'm wrong but I believe the Mirage 5 also had no radar - in fact it was removed during the development from the Mirage III:
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From Canada's perspective, where the CF-116 (CF-5) Freedom Fighter was the first radar-less fighter since the CL-13 Sabre fielded by the CAF, it was cheap and available for license production. Canada was operating the Voodoo and Starfighter, introduced to the RCAF in 1961 and yet still somewhat top drawer fighters. In 1968, Canada joined the Panavia Tornado program, demonstrating its commitment to high tech, next gen combat aviation.It's always puzzle me how this plane without a radar sold so well,
How effective was the 1960s radar? Apparently A2A missile against fighter size target was no good back then since the Jewish Mirage III got most of their kill using cannon but they should be effective for gun laying and detecting enemies location right?From Canada's perspective, where the CF-116 (CF-5) Freedom Fighter was the first radar-less fighter since the CL-13 Sabre fielded by the CAF, it was cheap and available for license production. Canada was operating the Voodoo and Starfighter, introduced to the RCAF in 1961 and yet still somewhat top drawer fighters. In 1968, Canada joined the Panavia Tornado program, demonstrating its commitment to high tech, next gen combat aviation.
In this light the CF-5 was an uncompetitive, parsimonious politician's choice that when deployed to CFB Baden–Soellingen would have needlessly killed Canadian airmen had it been forced to fight the Soviets. Our lads deserved a better aircraft. Mind you, in peacetime, the CAF airmen apparently thoroughly enjoyed the CF-5's aerobatics. And in its defence, Canada was using them as fighter-bombers, like the radar-less Sepcat Jaguar, MiG-27 and Mirage 5.
What's a Jewish Mirage? Is the Su-30MKI the Hindu Sukhoi?the Jewish Mirage III got most of their kill
I think you've been smoking Buddha's F-5.I've seen some beautiful Buddhist F-5s
OK - I'm throwing the BS flag on this! First, during that period, there was nothing wrong with the F-5/ CF-5 series considering their size, mission and cost. The Netherlands, Norway, and Switzerland flew them (and I believe the Swiss still do) and the F-5 showed, if properly flown and operated, could handle itself well against Soviet equipment during the Iran/ Iraq. war. Canada NEVER deployed CF-5s (CF-116) to Europe in large numbers (I believe no more than 16 were ever deployed) and in the return provided a good manufacturing and later sustainment program for companies like Canadair and Bristol Aerospace. Their mission in Europe was to be part of a rapid deployment force and at any given time only a few CF-5s were in Europe serving in this role. According to Wiki, he last deployment to Europe was in 1987 when four CF-5As arrived at CFB Baden–Soellingen. I know many people who flew the F-5 and met a few Canadian pilots (when I lived in Canada) who loved the aircraft and had no issues going up against the Soviet forces of that time. I got to work on ex CAF CF-5s while in Botswana and IMO were great aircraft and if anything were very under-rated!In this light the CF-5 was an uncompetitive, parsimonious politician's choice that when deployed to CFB Baden–Soellingen would have needlessly killed Canadian airmen had it been forced to fight the Soviets. Our lads deserved a better aircraft. Mind you, in peacetime, the CAF airmen apparently thoroughly enjoyed the CF-5's aerobatics. And in its defence, Canada was using them as fighter-bombers, like the radar-less Sepcat Jaguar, MiG-27 and Mirage 5.