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No, you're justified in that statement as things are getting a bit weird.And my apologies if that comes across as rude. It was a bit harsh, and I will tone it down. Any member on this forum who woukd have done that, is no longer here. It really was an uncalled for comment.
For a man so closely in contact and in control of his command, how on earth could he have not been aware of such allegedly independent and unauthorised and unlawful acts, that would normally be punishable by a court martial or at least some clarification of his true meaning of the orders that he gave . I think the only plausible explanation was that his men were doing exactly what he had intended by those orders
I suggest this thread get back to its original topic. For that reason, anyone who wants to continue the conversation, can send me a personal message.
This debate has gone on for too long in the public forum .
I tell ya, between you and drgondog I get a lot of reading done here. The Nuremberg trials have always held interest for me, I like you take on them.
Also, I would argue (not here) that Lee was EQUAL TO Grant (maybe) and POSSIBLY better than Sherman, but that's not the discussion here, just my 2 cents.
Cheers.
I'm going to ignore the second item for now, but there are reports ( Churchill 'opposed Nuremberg and wanted Nazi leaders executed or jailed without trial' | Daily Mail Online andThe Trials of The Nuremberg Trials, among others) that some Allied leaders wanted summary execution of nazi leaders, not trials.
I agree that the Trials were appropriate ... and perhaps more should have been found guilty and executed ... but the outcome of the process was not necessarily what has been described above "... the moral country you see today, is directly attributed to the way post war Germany was handled."
I recently bought and viewed the German Television three-part historical drama "Generation War" .. it is intended to reflect the moral German society of today looking back over 1941 to 1945. The series is acclaimed as German's Band of Brothers ... but IMO, it is scarcely that. More apt would be Band of Victims.
The collective message of the epic is that the German people were all victims of the Hitler's war (except for a few who were degenerate sociopaths). While I don't doubt that to be true, victimhood is NOT a moral position. Victims could not have achieved the remarkable results that the German people achieved ... nor could evictims have concocted the horrors of Germany's racial policies that the Nazis engineered and the German people ignored.
IMO. the prize for successful post-war re-alignment goes to Japan ... and they have the Korea War to partially thank for that.
... Japanese nationalists are hardly the moral compass that Japan follows.
.... you're both correct but can't say why ..? Some compass.
the German Television three-part historical drama "Generation War" ........The collective message of the epic is that the German people were all victims of the Hitler's war.. While I don't doubt that to be true,.... victimhood is NOT a moral position.
The Red Army's advance on Germany is a real eye opener.War is a great cover for psychopaths and criminals. The retributions and looting and raping that the "liberators" and "resistance" inflicted on France and Italy during 1944 were the most surprising "keep quiet about" war crimes to me, especially since they spiralled to include civilians with no regime or collaborator involvement...