Which fighter brought the biggest new advantage when introduced?

[CORSNING]

I'd tend to go with the Me262 in terms of outright performance potential - there really was nothing that could equal it at the time.

Agreed, but the Vampire, Meteor and Shooting Star were just around the corner and coming fast.

 

[GrauGeist]

And the He280 and P-59 were already there before the Me262.

Of the He162, P-80, Me262 and Meteor, only the Me262 and He162 saw combat against enemy aircraft. The closest occasion for jet versus jet combat came when 616 Sqdn. RAF was bombed by Ar234s.

All the other jets in the works (German, American, British, Japanese) had no bearing on the war, it was the Me262 that ushered in a new age, forcing a shift in tactics.

 

[The Basket]

Bf 109.
Why only over Spain?

 

[swampyankee]

The MiG-17 had a massive performance advantage over the AD Skyraider, but ADs shot them down. Obviously, the MiG drivers screwed up, but the swept-winged jets couldn't turn fast enough -- couldn't generate a sufficiently fast change in where the nose was pointing -- to retain a firing solution. Of course, the MiG had a much larger sweep.

 

[CORSNING]

I apologize ahead of time to everyone. I am only up to page 6 of
this thread so I do not know what everyone has posted up to now.
From what I have read up to date it seems to me to that there is a
great amount of information to support several aircraft as being the
aircraft that brought the biggest new advantage at its time of introduction.
The Bf.109, Spitfire, P-51 (both versions), the Me.262 and even the
A6M.
I am going to answer this question from a different angle that Ramirezzz
brought up in Post #36 and Tomo pauk brought up in Post #95. They
were trying to tell everyone, or better yet ask everyone, what do all
these fighters have in common?
Cantiliver wing, ( auto starter ?), pilot armor, oxygen system, enclosed
canopy, retractable landing gear, the I-16 was the first production
monoplane fighter anywhere in the world to introduce this combination
in one package. As compared to its contemporaries in 1936 when it
was first introduced to combat, it was strongly built, capable of
withstanding considerable punishment, easily maintained and was
the fastest 1st line fighter. Keep in mind that the U.S.A.A.C's first line
fighter at the time was the P-26C. The Mosca could outclimb, out-
maneuver and outrun the Peashooter by as much as 42 mph.
What do you think guys, Jeff

 

[Shortround6]

I apologize ahead of time to everyone. I am only up to page 6 of
this thread so I do not know what everyone has posted up to now.
From what I have read up to date it seems to me to that there is a
great amount of information to support several aircraft as being the
aircraft that brought the biggest new advantage at its time of introduction.
The Bf.109, Spitfire, P-51 (both versions), the Me.262 and even the
A6M.
I am going to answer this question from a different angle that Ramirezzz
brought up in Post #36 and Tomo pauk brought up in Post #95. They
were trying to tell everyone, or better yet ask everyone, what do all
these fighters have in common?
Cantiliver wing, auto starter, pilot armor, oxygen system, enclosed
canopy, retractable landing gear, the I-16 was the first production
monoplane fighter anywhere in the world to introduce this combination
in one package. As compared to its contemporaries in 1936 when it
was first introduced to combat, it was strongly built, capable of
withstanding considerable punishment, easily maintained and was
the fastest 1st line fighter. Keep in mind that the U.S.A.A.C's first line
fighter at the time was the P-26C. The Mosca could outclimb, out-
maneuver and outrun the Peashooter by as much as 42 mph.
What do you think guys, Jeff

I guess it depends on what you call an "auto starter"

But for the rest?
I agree that the I-16 is often forgotten in claims as to what plane was the "first" modern fighter.

 

[CORSNING]

Shortround, you are probably right on the money about the auto
starter. Like Will Rodgers, I only know what I read in the news
papers.
Damn I like reading your posts, Jeff

 

[Madelman]

I apologize ahead of time to everyone. I am only up to page 6 of
this thread so I do not know what everyone has posted up to now.
From what I have read up to date it seems to me to that there is a
great amount of information to support several aircraft as being the
aircraft that brought the biggest new advantage at its time of introduction.
The Bf.109, Spitfire, P-51 (both versions), the Me.262 and even the
A6M.
I am going to answer this question from a different angle that Ramirezzz
brought up in Post #36 and Tomo pauk brought up in Post #95. They
were trying to tell everyone, or better yet ask everyone, what do all
these fighters have in common?
Cantiliver wing, auto starter, pilot armor, oxygen system, enclosed
canopy, retractable landing gear, the I-16 was the first production
monoplane fighter anywhere in the world to introduce this combination
in one package. As compared to its contemporaries in 1936 when it
was first introduced to combat, it was strongly built, capable of
withstanding considerable punishment, easily maintained and was
the fastest 1st line fighter. Keep in mind that the U.S.A.A.C's first line
fighter at the time was the P-26C. The Mosca could outclimb, out-
maneuver and outrun the Peashooter by as much as 42 mph.
What do you think guys, Jeff

I've a similar point, in 1938-39 I-16 and Me 109 were the planes that included the latest tech developments and marked the end of the biplane era and defined the how fighters would be in the next a years. In some aspects their impact in the fighter development are similar to the one of Me 262, everything changed after I-16 and 109