why did tamiya attributed one of kobayashi ki 61 to shunzo takashima?

[aurelien wolff]

After getting their ki 61, I'm curious on that since this plane is refered to as one of kobayashi's multiple ki 61 in my documentation (the le fana de l'aviation I got does per example) and online, it is attributed often to kobayashi too, so why did tamiya choose another pilot for this plane? did it had multiple pilots?

thanks for your answers, mine will have its interior partly visible.

 

[Wurger]

According to the info below the kite could be flown by both of them.

However it looks that the profile of the Ki-61 flown by Takashima could be a specultive one. Although both Ki-61 are the Tei model the "Red bar and 24" seemed to look a little bit different.

 

[aurelien wolff]

the red band one was also attributed to kobayashi when I did my research, the fana I got also got documentation for modellers (it is from the 70' and it had a modelling section with builds of now verry vintage models like the haseg/frog me 262). some also claim the plane had blue bands on the wings but it look more to me like light reflectionon the aluminum.

 

[Wurger]

If the blue was there , there wouldnt be any light reflection rather. In most of the B&W images the blue is always as dark as the red colour. Unless a pic was taken with a filter or the film or paper for printing was of the orthochromatic type. So then either the red is lighter or the blue one.

 

[fubar57]

According to "Ki.61 and Ki.100 Aces" 2015, the top photo: Ki-61-I Tei '24' of Capt Teruhiko Kobayashi, 244th Sentai Hombu, Hamamatsu, Japan, December 1944, white stripe
Bottom photo: Ki-61-I Tei '24' of Capt Teruhiko Kobayashi, 244th Sentai Hombu, Chofu, Japan, March 1945, blue stripe

 

[Wurger]

According to "Ki.61 and Ki.100 Aces" 2015, the top photo: Ki-61-I Tei '24' of Capt Teruhiko Kobayashi, 244th Sentai Hombu, Hamamatsu, Japan, December 1944, white stripe
Bottom photo: Ki-61-I Tei '24' of Capt Teruhiko Kobayashi, 244th Sentai Hombu, Chofu, Japan, March 1945, blue stripe

The Japanes book IJA FLIGHT ACES IN W.W.II. PICTORIAL BOOK, MODEL ART SPECIAL ISSUE #416 dated the top one on the 1945 in the same way as the others. So the bottom image presents the latest version of its uniform.

 

[fubar57]

Monografie Lotnicze #5 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien has the bottom photo dated 1944

 

[Wurger]

Monografie Lotnicze #5 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien has the bottom photo dated 1944

All other sources state the 1945.

 

[fubar57]

I know

 

[aurelien wolff]

so tamiya allow to make the same plane in different time periods? Le fana has no 24 with red stripes for kobayashi.

 

[fubar57]

 

[aurelien wolff]

The Japanes book IJA FLIGHT ACES IN W.W.II. PICTORIAL BOOK, MODEL ART SPECIAL ISSUE #416 dated the top one on the 1945 in the same way as the others. So the bottom image presents the latest version of its uniform.

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do we have pictures of the one with red stripes and green soits? I feel it could rather easily be done from the box and is sit kobyashi at that point?

 

[Wurger]

do we have pictures of the one with red stripes and green soits? I feel it could rather easily be done from the box and is sit kobyashi at that point?

I haven't seen these at all. I guess there aren't or just there are but the interpretation of the colours was wrong.

 

[SaparotRob]

Have you tried AI? It helped provide colours for a model I'm building.

 

[aurelien wolff]

AI can still misinterpret colors tho. I'm currently reading the osprey aces book on the hien , it does show kobayashi aircraft aat multiple dates.

I cna use it for the ki 100 too, I got the hasegawa one to do the no 33.

 

[aurelien wolff]

hasegangsta (joking!) released it with the red band.

 

[fubar57]

Yikes!!!

 

[Wurger]

hasegangsta (joking!) released it with the red band.
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Perhaps because of the image below caused by the incorrect color identification, IMHO. The pic was taken or printed on the orthochromatic film/paper. It resulted in the very dark tone of the yellow wing leading edges at the wing roots and the lighter tinge of the blue fuselage strip.

the pic source: the net.

 

[aurelien wolff]

so that coulde xplain why the red interpretation is a thing, I'm also wondering if I can't do the spots using markers.

 

[Wurger]

I'm also wondering if I can't do the spots using markers.

Do you mean the spots at the leading edges or the general ones of the camo?