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Hey! I think there's a guy in Washington who wanted to buy Greenland. Make him an offer.
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Hey! I think there's a guy in Washington who wanted to buy Greenland. Make him an offer.That's never going to be paid off, ever. Most of it is owned to ourselves, issued by the Bank of Canada. But still, to make a dent in that debt we need a climate tariff on everything from China - I don't care about the climate (in this instance), but let's get some money out of them. We also need to cut government spending on many things. Maybe we can sell Newfounland, lol or let Quebec separate.
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Interestingly, the USN was, in general, more concerned with "low and slow" survivability than USAF in the early days.
This was in part due to a USAF gospel of the time that successful egress below 500 feet AGL was a physical impossibility, no matter how fancy the technology, so Martin-Baker and USN pursuing zero-zero capability was a waste of resources chasing a pipe dream.Which makes absolute sense. I've even read articles stating that the USAF pilots were much more concerned about high-speed, high-altitude ejections than low-speed, low-altitude ejections, even though operational statistics showed that there were far more ejections at low altitude. I suspect this was because of their expectations for combat operations.
That was an interim: The idea ultimately was a jet-powered design.And they did. It was called the AJ1 Savage, two recips on the wings and a jet in the tail, a disaster with wings on it. Zero survivability in MiG country.
The AJ Savage was the second "interim" design... it could (and did) land back on the carrier.That was an interim: The idea ultimately was a jet-powered design.
Curtis LeMay & Co must have been laughing their asses off!The first "interim carrier-based nuclear bomber" of the USN was the P2V-3C Neptune (12 converted). It had no folding wings, and no arresting gear. When it took off from the flight deck (with JATO assist) it was to fly its attack mission, and, IF fuel and enemy air defenses allowed, land on a friendly land airfield!
I bet carrier skippers just loved the prospect of having that white elephant monopolizing their flight deck, rendering all other flight ops impossible and their ship a sitting duck. It's a long voyage to any possible launch points.The first "interim carrier-based nuclear bomber" of the USN was the P2V-3C Neptune (12 converted). It had no folding wings, and no arresting gear. When it took off from the flight deck (with JATO assist) it was to fly its attack mission
Hey! I think there's a guy in Washington who wanted to buy Greenland. Make him an offer.
"So what? We're bigger than they are! Besides, they're socialists, so who cares what they think?"Denmark may take offense.
Curtis LeMay & Co must have been laughing their asses off!
Correct, the P2V was the first, but it couldn't land after it took off. The AJ could do that.The AJ Savage was the second "interim" design... it could (and did) land back on the carrier.
Glad that didn't happen! Can you imagine cycling that monster on and off the boat? As it was, the A3D and A3J at roughly 3/4 of that launch-land energy taxed the catapults and arresting gear right to their limits.The USN actually wanted a new jet-bomber that was expected to weigh 100,000 pounds
Yeah, but the USS United States (CVA-58) would have been designed to handle that.Glad that didn't happen! Can you imagine cycling that monster on and off the boat? As it was, the A3D and A3J at roughly 3/4 of that taxed the catapults and arresting gear right to their limits.
That said, the carrier was idiotic in design.
To the best of my knowledge, the design didn't have radar onboard, and depended on data fed to it by a command ship or other vessels. Since other carriers had their own radar onboard, that is kind of a major problem and, if the command ship gets damaged or sunk, the carrier is blind.So now we get to ask questions - WHY?
This "elephant boat" would almost certainly turn out to be a single mission one trick pony. Unless it had gargantuan elevators and hangar decks, its massive nuke bombers would have to live topside full time, making it logistically impractical to host any additional aircraft types. Thus it would depend on other carriers to provide interception, CAP, AEW, conventional strike, and ASW functions, as well as defensive AAA and SAM direction. Can you spell B_O_O_N_D_O_G_G_L_E?This had to do with the fact that the carrier was designed with a flush-deck, and that had to do with the presumption that the aircraft would have a wingspan the same as the P2V Neptune.
Thanks to Ed (Simplicate & Add Lightness) Heinneman, who came up with a less ponderous solution in the A3D.the carrier was designed with a flush-deck, and that had to do with the presumption that the aircraft would have a wingspan the same as the P2V Neptune. This is something that didn't appear to have been necessary.