Why didn't Canada use F-106 Delta Dart?
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Ed was a designer for Douglas Aircraft; TBF was a Grumman design that preceded AD1 by five years and a whole generation of aeronautical technology. AD1's designers had far more horsepower available to play with than TBF's. AD1 could survive in combat due to speed, maneuverability, and ruggedness rather than defensive firepower, largely because of its greater power available and its role as a general purpose attack aircraft. TBF's design role as a torpedo bomber dictated its low and slow flight profile, the aerodynamic characteristics of which impeded its high speed performance. Different aircraft designed to different requirements.
An AD1 philosophy TBF with an R2600 instead of an R3350 would have been Zero fodder as well as an inferior torpedo bomber.
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You never really know 'til you stand next to a TBF or an A1 and look up at that cockpit towering above you like Mt Everest. Even more impressive if it's in a low roofed hangar and the upper prop blade is barely clearing the rafters.
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It's highly likely to be a mock-up: If this happened in flight, it's likely the speed would not only have put a hole in the building -- momentum would have carried it through into the ground.
And the airframe totally trashed, not sitting there intact.
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I think the poster means if it was a real one before they made it in to an attraction.
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At several Hard Rock Cafes in Thailand they have "crashed" a DC-3 into the side of the building. It seems a rather undignified end for these wonderful machines. I hope that "F-102" is just a mock up.
Not in a hangar, but impressive anyway.
(War Remnants Museum in Saigon-Ho Chi Minh).
Far as I know, it had elevators that could hoist the aircraft up and down.
It had the ability to operate fighters and bombers off its deck. Many models had F7U's depicted.
While the F7U had a bit to be desired, it was the best performer next to the F-86 and, with only a few modifications, it could have been made to have work by the early 1950's, ironically. The thing is, you'd have to have a well maintained crystal ball to have avoided running into the land-mines that crippled it. These land-mines were run into by other aircraft designers, such as Douglas, with the F4D, though the F7U ran into it worse.
As for the lack of radar, in addition for the possibility of a command ship that would provide it with data, it was intended to operate in a task force that had a Midway Class, two Essex Classes, with the United States at the heart of it. The plans called for four fleets of this nature.
Here's some images I've found
Looking at these overhead shots, and the listed width: They were inches away from an angled-deck as it was. All they needed was to add an island on the right side, shave off anything that didn't need to be there; then lengthen and skew the deck on the port-side.
I'm not sure if the rear elevator was the only one suitable to operate bombers off of, but it was definitely the biggest elevator. That said, the aircraft depicted seems to be nondescript.
As for the retractible island, it's interesting, but not very practical. It looks like it'd jam very easy in a wet environment.
This thing really was intended to have all the trimmings: The thing is, it turns out exterior escalators have issues with moisture and debris.
Actually, it would have been B-36's at the time. That said, by the time it would have seen operational service, the B-52 and KC-135 would have been flying. The idea of a carrier that could have operated a 100,000 pound plane would have been pretty cool.
I'm not totally sure what the exact design proposals were for the bomber design, but they seemed to be running overweight. It appears if you want a 100,000 pound design, you ask for an 85,000 pound plane with the assumption that it'll balloon up to 100,000. The problem is, if you make the requirements too low, all the contractors will say "there is no fucking way in hell we can produce this -- buh-bye".
From what it appeared, the requirements for the aircraft was for an aircraft that would have a crew of three, a defensive gun (possibly with a automatic gun-laying radar), a radius of action of 1700 nm while carrying a 12,000 pound nuclear-bomb of Fat Man style rotundness. Obviously, it would have to land on a carrier-deck, possess folding-wings, and for early nuclear weapons, it was often important for the bombardier to crawl into the bomb-bay.
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Oh, yeah! Airplane crashes are shockingly violent you'd get metal and concrete smashed everywhere, assuming you didn't get a crater...
