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Don't look like MkI/II wings to me.
The first MkIII had shortened wings. These were not well received and the second prototype reverted to standard wings. The Me 109 F also went through a similar evolution with prototype's shortened wing being lengthened by adding the round wingtips.
 
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From the Lloyd's Register of Shipping 1939 that I posted previously the biggest merchant fleets by GRT are:


Grand Total is 68,509,432 GRT
The tricky part is to determine how much of the invaded countries tonnage escaped to join the Allies.
I just discovered this website that may have the answers but I haven't had the chance to really look at it,
I should also note that only replacing the pre war fleet losses is a red herring. This assumes that the pre war fleet was adequate to meet the war time demands. This is clearly not the case with the vast number of war materials being shipped all over the world. Also note the convoy system, while necessary, produced inefficiency in utilization of ships. Shiiping was a problem well into 1944.
 
Don't look like MkI/II wings to me.
As noted by the above poster, these wings were with the shorter tips. They reverted that decision for the 2nd prototype, since Dowding was of opinion that the Mk.III would've been mixed up for a Bf 109, and also to make wing loading more favorable.
More can be read about the Mk.III on the pages 127 to 132 of the 'Spitfire - the history' book by Morgan & Shacklady.
 
The first MkIII had shortened wings. These were not well received and the second prototype reverted to standard wings. The Me 109 F also went through a similar evolution with prototype's shortened wing being lengthened by adding the round wingtips.
The wings were shortened from 36 feet down to 32 feet to improve roll, the Mk III was better than the MkI/II and MkV in every way.
 
It wouldn't have mattered if the Mk III was mistaken for the 109 because the Emil couldn't catch it being a good 30+ MPH slower and unable to turn with it. The first ever kill the Spitfire made was a Hurricane so miss identification was a real thing.
 
The first MkIII had shortened wings. These were not well received and the second prototype reverted to standard wings. The Me 109 F also went through a similar evolution with prototype's shortened wing being lengthened by adding the round wingtips.
Actually the opposite was true, pilots reported the plane was a major improvement over the Mk I/II in all area's except the landing run was longer, in all four prototypes were made and flown at Boscome Downs leading to an order for 1200 aircraft for front line service. But getting back to the original argument the problem was no HMG's or the Hispano were ready so it would have still been armed with eight .303's.
 
" True, but even the US supply chain was not infinite. "
" Only with hindsight can we say (to a degree) concerns and decisions made based on fuel supply/usage did not matter. "
False dichotomy(s).

" By the end of 1944, the Allies were already pretty sure that the end of the war was going to occur in 1945."

Operation Downfall was the proposed Allied plan for the invasion of Japan near the end of World War II. It was planned to be executed in two parts: Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet.
Operation Olympic: Scheduled for November 1945, aimed to capture the southern third of the southernmost main Japanese island, Kyushu.
Operation Coronet: Planned for early 1946, intended to invade the Kantō Plain near Tokyo on the main Japanese island of Honshu.

That could conceivably mean that the war would last into 1947. At the end of 1944 the atom bomb was a top secret project and there was no definite timetable.

The B-29 conventional uses didn't really start having an impact until March 1945.

By mid-1945 more advanced U.S. fighter aircraft such as the F8F and F-80 were about to enter service.

" The fighter aircraft kept in service after the war is telling. The P-38 disappeared almost immediately. The P-47 was kept on in small numbers, mostly in the National Guard. The F4U and P-51 soldiered on through Korea. "

Given the vast drawdown of military forces, only a few would logically be kept, like one or two.

F-80 and F-86 became the state of the art fighters in Korea.

Some research reveals these numbers for WW II kills.
F6F Hellcat: Approximately 5,200 kills.
P-51 Mustang: Around 4,950 kills.
P-38 Lightning: Approximately 3,785 enemy aircraft kills.
P-47 Thunderbolt: Around 3,752 enemy aircraft kills.
The F4U Corsair: F4U and FG pilots claimed 2,140 aerial victories

So of the five, F6F wins and F4U is last. So the decisions weren't based on just kills, but likely more upon what one or two were the best to keep.

F6F was a navy fighter and the F4U was adaptable to both land and sea uses. Probably why a much smaller military and navy would choose the F4U to remain in service.
 
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False dichotomy(s).

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Given the vast drawdown of military forces, only a few would logically be kept.

Well, duh

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So of the five, F6F wins and F4U is last. So the decisions weren't based on just kills, but likely more upon what one or two were the best to keep.

Well, duh . . . again. And it is telling that the F4U and P-51 were the ones kept.

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F6F was a navy fighter and the F4U was adaptable to both land and sea uses. Probably why a much smaller military and navy would choose the F4U to remain in service.

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The F6F could easily have been operated from land, with no more difficulty than the F4U - as all they did for the F4U was remove the tail hook and either lock the wings in the spread position, or remove the hydraulic wing fold mechanism and lock the wings in the spread position. At the time of the Conference the F4U had been developed significantly beyond what the F6F had - eg the F4U had significant advantages in Vmax and Radius of Action over the F6F - to the tune of 30-40 mph TAS Vmax and almost 100 miles greater ROA. The F4U also had 100 ft/min ROC, 1,200 ft Service Ceiling, and VNE advantages, as well as having a wing structure and pylon arrangements more amenable to carrying ordnance. And all of the above was before it received the R-2800-C series engine in the F4U-4 variant.

Again, if you can find a copy of the Report it is worth reading - and it explains the criteria fo the conclusions reached.
 
There was a little drama called the Battle of Britain that got in the way. The Mk III did go into production as the Mk VIII and later the Mk XIV.

What a load of cobblers.

If you had said that the Mk III inspired the Mk VIII and XIV I would totally agree but the absence of Mk III parts in the Mk VIII and XIV blueprints I have says you are massively over reaching.

I have a SMALL collection of Spitfire blueprints and the Vickers part number system is very easy to follow.

Each version has a model number. The Mark 1 was the Model 300. All Mk 1 parts, other than standard parts or parts used on earlier Supermarine aircraft has a part number that consists of the model number followed by a two digit area code followed by a dash followed by an item number.

Taking the fuselage (area 27) as an example Frame 5 is shown on multiple sheets and on sheet 26 the upper port engine mount fitting is item 130. This makes the part number of that fitting 30027-130.

Each part on every later mark that is carried forward from the previous Mark/model keeps the same part number so every mark that uses the same engine mount fitting as on the Mk I has the same part number.

When the part is replaced on a later mark it gets a new part number starting with the new model number, followed by 27 indicating main fuselage and a new dash number.

The Mk VIII is the model 359 so the fuselage is part number 35927. The Mark XIV was model 379. I do not know what model the Mk III was

This is a typical drawing section for the late Mk VIII fuselage which is also used on the Mk XIV. Note all the part numbers start 300 or 379 (meaning a part changed for the Mk XIV but now also used on the Mk VIII) Note also the main frame pressing has only 515 shown as the number. That means it was a new part first used on the Mk VIII and its part number is 35927-515 regardless of which mark that part is used on.

The interesting thing is that I can not find in any Mk VIII and Mk XIV drawings any part numbers that do not start with model numbers for the Mk I, Mk II, Mk V, Ml VIII and Mk XIV. Admittedly I only have 28 sheets of Mk VIII and 181 sheets for the Mk XIV but obviously there should be multiple Mk III parts showing in at least some of the drawings. Even the fuselage stern has all new model 379 parts in the area where the tail gear is attached so even that was redesigned from scratch. See the second drawing below.



 
The F6F could easily have been operated from land, with no more difficulty than the F4U
The USN did operate the F6F from shore bases in WW2.

VF-33 entered combat with the F6F on 28 August 1943 while based on Guadalcanal, later moving to Munda. That was 3 days before F6Fs from Essex, Yorktown & Independence hit Marcus Island in the first offensive carrier strike involving the new fighter. VF-38 & VF-40 joined VF-33 in the Solomons flying F6F in Oct that year.

In early Aug 1945 there were still 3 USMC squadrons on Okinawa, another split between Pelelieu and Ulithi and another split between Guam & Eniwetok all flying F6F-3N/5N night fighter versions from these vital shore bases.
 

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