Witness Account: Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews’ Final P-38 Dogfight Against 12 Enemy Fighters

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I recently acquired and have been researching an extensive archive belonging to 2nd Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr. of the 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group, who was killed in action while flying a P-38 Lightning on October 20, 1944.

What initially caught my attention was an official postwar witness account describing Andrews' final combat. According to the report, Andrews and his wingman became separated from their formation and engaged twelve enemy fighters. The witness stated that Andrews had already shot down four enemy aircraft during the battle. When his wingman's ammunition was exhausted and he was forced to bail out, Andrews turned back toward the remaining enemy fighters rather than return to base. The witness reported that Andrews attacked the remaining aircraft alone and was shot down during the action.

The archive remained together within the family for over 80 years and includes:

  • Distinguished Flying Cross and named Air Medal
  • MACR and casualty documentation
  • Original witness correspondence regarding his final combat
  • Signed photographs from fellow Army Air Forces cadets and pilots
  • Personal wartime correspondence
  • Marriage certificate to Anne Estelle McKee (December 1943)
  • Arizona Governor Sidney P. Osborn's wedding congratulations letter
  • Family scrapbook documenting Andrews' life from cadet training through combat service and death
  • Photographs, newspaper articles, postcards, and personal memorabilia

One interesting discovery was correspondence from fellow cadets who addressed Andrews by the nickname "Havolini."

I am posting to share the story and to see whether anyone here has additional information regarding Lt. Andrews, the 392nd Fighter Squadron, the 367th Fighter Group, or any of the individuals appearing in the signed photographs.
While researching Andrews' loss on October 20, 1944, I discovered that his final mission was part of a much larger and more costly engagement than I initially realized.

One document in the archive reports that Andrews engaged enemy fighters during the action and destroyed multiple aircraft before being shot down himself. Additional German records appear to indicate that the aircraft was brought down during fighter action rather than by anti-aircraft fire.



The 367th Fighter Group was tasked with attacking railroad bridges in the Düren area when it encountered heavy Luftwaffe opposition. Records indicate that the 394th Squadron was attacked by approximately 16 Fw 190s, while the 392nd Squadron, Andrews' unit, was reportedly attacked by approximately 25 Fw 190s.



The formation was broken apart during the engagement. Squadron leader Lt. Malone was shot down and captured. Lt. Mathisen was also shot down and captured. Deputy Group Commander Lt. Col. Morris Crossen was killed in action. Lt. Andrews was lost during the battle.
 

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While continuing research on Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr., I found that Richard Groh's book The Dynamite Gang: The 367th Fighter Group in World War II describes the October 20, 1944 mission as a major engagement in which the 392nd Fighter Squadron was attacked by approximately 25 Fw 190 fighters during its dive-bombing run. Squadron leader Capt. S.E. Malone and Lt. Mathisen were shot down and captured, while Lt. Andrews and Deputy Group Commander Lt. Col. Morris Crossen were killed. This account is consistent with the German records and eyewitness statements preserved in Andrews' MACR. Has anyone encountered additional accounts from surviving 392nd Squadron pilots regarding this action?
 
While continuing research on Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr., I found that Richard Groh's book The Dynamite Gang: The 367th Fighter Group in World War II describes the October 20, 1944 mission as a major engagement in which the 392nd Fighter Squadron was attacked by approximately 25 Fw 190 fighters during its dive-bombing run. Squadron leader Capt. S.E. Malone and Lt. Mathisen were shot down and captured, while Lt. Andrews and Deputy Group Commander Lt. Col. Morris Crossen were killed. This account is consistent with the German records and eyewitness statements preserved in Andrews' MACR. Has anyone encountered additional accounts from surviving 392nd Squadron pilots regarding this action?
Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr.'s Final Mission – October 20, 1944



While researching the loss of 2nd Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr. of the 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group, I came across an interesting account in Richard Groh's The Dynamite Gang: The 367th Fighter Group in World War II.



During a dive-bombing mission near Merzenich/Düren, Germany, Capt. S.E. Malone and his wingman, Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr., were engaged by a large formation of Fw 190s. According to the group history, Andrews radioed:



"C'mon down! I've got ten of 'em cornered!"



The account states that Malone's P-38 was heavily damaged and set on fire, forcing him to bail out. From beneath his parachute, Malone observed Andrews continue the fight. The history further states that Andrews attacked and shot down the German fighter that had brought down Malone before continuing the engagement during the chaotic battle.



Andrews was subsequently lost during the action. German records contained within the MACR identify his P-38 Lightning as having been shot down by fighter interception at approximately 0913 hours on 20 October 1944. The same mission also resulted in the loss of Lt. Col. Morris Crossen, while Malone and Lt. Sigurd Mathisen became POWs.



This account appears consistent with the 17-page MACR, Capt. Robert E. Douglas' eyewitness statement, and the German crash and burial reports included in the archive.



Has anyone encountered additional 367th Fighter Group records, POW recollections from Capt. Malone, combat reports, or other primary sources relating to Andrews' final mission? Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.
 

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One aspect of Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr.'s service that I hadn't fully appreciated until recently is that he was a member of the 367th Fighter Group, better known as "The Dynamite Gang."



The nickname wasn't a postwar invention. The 367th earned its reputation through low-level attacks on bridges, rail yards, trains, armor, and transportation targets throughout the European campaign. It became one of the Ninth Air Force's most aggressive fighter-bomber groups.



While reviewing Richard Groh's history of the group, I was surprised to find Andrews not only listed in squadron rosters, but also identified in photographs and discussed in the narrative covering the group's combat operations in late 1944.



For collectors and historians of the Ninth Air Force, how significant is the 367th Fighter Group viewed today compared to other P-38 units operating in Europe? Has anyone here researched the group's reputation among veterans or attended any reunions where the history of "The Dynamite Gang" was discussed?
 
Hi habs1976,

Not sure if you're interested in the other side of the story, but it was the III. Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 2 that engaged the 367th FG on this morning. It took off from Altenstadt at 08:10, led by Oberleutnant Siegfried Lemke. Lemke claimed his 50th aerial victory in this engagement, at 09:11, and the rest of the Gruppe claimed nine victories between them, the last occurring at 09:30. Lemke's unit reported four pilots killed and two wounded. Sources for this are the Luftwaffe victory claims, British National Archives file NA HW 13/88, and Eric Mombeek's excellent Jagdgeschwader 2 unit history, Am Himmel Frankreichs: Die Geschichte des JG 2 "Richthofen", Band 7: 1944 - 1945.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
 
Hi habs1976,

Not sure if you're interested in the other side of the story, but it was the III. Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 2 that engaged the 367th FG on this morning. It took off from Altenstadt at 08:10, led by Oberleutnant Siegfried Lemke. Lemke claimed his 50th aerial victory in this engagement, at 09:11, and the rest of the Gruppe claimed nine victories between them, the last occurring at 09:30. Lemke's unit reported four pilots killed and two wounded. Sources for this are the Luftwaffe victory claims, British National Archives file NA HW 13/88, and Eric Mombeek's excellent Jagdgeschwader 2 unit history, Am Himmel Frankreichs: Die Geschichte des JG 2 "Richthofen", Band 7: 1944 - 1945.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
Thank you for the information. This is exactly the type of research I was hoping to find.



My archive centers on Lieutenant Lloyd J. Andrews Jr. of the 367th Fighter Group, and I am attempting to reconstruct the circumstances surrounding his final mission from both the American and German perspectives.



Your identification of III./JG 2, Oberleutnant Siegfried Lemke, the takeoff time from Altenstadt, and the German victory claims is extremely helpful. The references to NA HW 13/88 and Mombeek's JG 2 history give me some excellent avenues for further research.



Do you happen to know whether any specific JG 2 pilot was credited with Andrews' aircraft, or whether postwar research has linked any of the claims from that engagement to individual 367th Fighter Group losses?



I would be very interested in any additional details you might have.



Thank you again for taking the time to share this information.
 
Hi habs1976,

Happy to help with some information.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any research undertaken to match up German claims with Allied losses in this particular combat.

Below is a table with the relevant German victory claims.

RankFirst NameSurnameStaffelGeschwaderType ClaimedLocationAltitudeTimeTally
Fw.HeinzVoigt9.JG 2P-3805 Ost S/0052,000m9.102
Oblt.SiegfriedLemkeStab III.JG 2P-3805 Ost NO-5/81,800m9.1150
Lt.RolfBischoff10.JG 2P-3805 Ost NO-61,800m9.121
Fw.RaimundKock11.JG 2P-3805 Ost OO-6/91,600m9.121
Obfhr.OttoDiehl12.JG 2P-3805 Ost ON-21,500m9.131
Uffz.PeterFellmann9.JG 2P-3805 Ost NO-92,000m9.131
Lt.RolfBischoff10.JG 2P-3805 Ost NO-91,200m9.152
ObfhrOttoDiehl12.JG 2P-3805 Ost OO-41,200m9.152
Uffz.PeterFellmann9.JG 2P-3805 Ost NO-92,500m9.183
Fw.SiegfriedKapschat9.JG 2P-38Fl.Pl. Köln-WahnLow altitude9.301

And here is a map showing the various German map references listed for those claims, including NO-5, NO-6, OO-4 etc. Credit to Donald Caldwell for the original map I based this on.

20 October 1944 Claims.jpg

This might help narrow down who shot down who in this engagement.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
 
Thank you again for taking the time to share this information.



Before your posts, my research was largely limited to the American side of the battle through the MACR, eyewitness statements, German crash and burial reports, War Department correspondence, and the account in The Dynamite Gang.



What I find most fascinating is that your research has now identified the opposing Luftwaffe unit as III./JG 2 "Richthofen" and provided the individual German victory claims, complete with times and map references. For the first time, it feels possible to examine both sides of the engagement rather than relying solely on American records.



One document in the archive is a War Department letter sent to Lt. Andrews' widow stating that Andrews destroyed four enemy aircraft during his final combat. Being able to compare that information with the German records from the same battle adds an entirely new dimension to the research.



More than eighty years later, it is remarkable that new information is still emerging about the events of October 20, 1944.



Thank you again for contributing this material. It has added a tremendous amount of context to Lt. Andrews' final mission and has given me several new avenues to explore.
 
I wanted to provide an update on my ongoing research into 2nd Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr., P-38 pilot, 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group ("The Dynamite Gang"), who was killed in action on 20 October 1944.



Since originally acquiring the archive, I have been fortunate enough to secure several additional items that remained with the family and were not included when the grouping first surfaced. These additions have helped make the archive substantially more complete.



Recent additions include:



• Original Purple Heart awarded to Lt. Andrews
• Original sterling pilot wings
• Original pilot insignia
• Original marriage certificate of Lloyd and Anne Andrews
• Additional family correspondence
• Correspondence from Anne's future husband, Jack Wilson, a former Marine
• Original Ninth Air Force press release issued shortly before Andrews was lost
• Original press photograph showing Andrews with Capt. Robert E. Douglas in France approximately one week before his final mission



In addition to the physical archive, I have continued researching Andrews' final combat. Through information generously shared by members of this forum and other aviation researchers, I have obtained German records relating to the engagement of 20 October 1944, including information concerning III./JG 2 "Richthofen," the Luftwaffe unit involved in the battle during which Andrews was lost.



I have also discovered that Andrews is specifically mentioned in Richard Groh's history of the 367th Fighter Group, "The Dynamite Gang," where he appears in photographs and is discussed in the narrative covering the group's combat operations.



What began as a medal and document group has developed into a much more complete archive documenting Andrews' life from flight training, marriage, combat service, decorations, and final mission through the family's postwar correspondence and remembrance.



I wanted to thank everyone who has contributed information, research leads, and advice during this project. Every new piece of information has helped bring the story of Lt. Andrews and his family into clearer focus.
 
I wanted to provide an update on my ongoing research into 2nd Lt. Lloyd J. Andrews Jr., P-38 pilot, 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group ("The Dynamite Gang"), who was killed in action on 20 October 1944.



Since originally acquiring the archive, I have been fortunate enough to secure several additional items that remained with the family and were not included when the grouping first surfaced. These additions have helped make the archive substantially more complete.



Recent additions include:



• Original Purple Heart awarded to Lt. Andrews
• Original sterling pilot wings
• Original pilot insignia
• Original marriage certificate of Lloyd and Anne Andrews
• Additional family correspondence
• Correspondence from Anne's future husband, Jack Wilson, a former Marine



In addition to the physical archive, I have continued researching Andrews' final combat. Through information generously shared by members of this forum and other aviation researchers, I have obtained German records relating to the engagement of 20 October 1944, including information concerning III./JG 2 "Richthofen," the Luftwaffe unit involved in the battle during which Andrews was lost.



I have also discovered that Andrews is specifically mentioned in Richard Groh's history of the 367th Fighter Group, "The Dynamite Gang," where he appears in photographs and is discussed in the narrative covering the group's combat operations.



What began as a medal and document group has developed into a much more complete archive documenting Andrews' life from flight training, marriage, combat service, decorations, and final mission through the family's postwar correspondence and remembrance.



I wanted to thank everyone who has contributed information, research leads, and advice during this project. Every new piece of information has helped bring the story of Lt. Andrews and his family into clearer focus.
 
I believe the correct reference is just HW 13/88

Here is a link: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=HW 13/88&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv

I'm going to be there in a couple of weeks and this looks like an interesting file to look through for my own purposes (so thanks to Andrew A for that). If anyone is interested I could upload some images afterwards.
If you have a chance to photograph or review HW 13/88, I would be very interested in any references to:

  • Allied P-38 formations or Ninth Air Force fighter-bomber operations on or around 20 October 1944.
  • German fighter interceptions near Cologne, Brühl, Düren, Kerpen, Elsdorf, or Grevenbroich.
  • JG 6, JG 26, or other FW-190 units operating in that area.
  • German victory claims on 20 October 1944.
  • German loss reports from the same engagement.
  • Any references to American P-38s being shot down.
  • Any mention of the combat involving the 367th Fighter Group.

I am particularly trying to identify the German unit—and possibly even the pilot—involved in the combat in which Andrews was lost.

Thank you Andrew A as well and to you too Sir!
 
I am at the British National Archives at Kew this week. It's open
If you have a chance to photograph or review HW 13/88, I would be very interested in any references to:

  • Allied P-38 formations or Ninth Air Force fighter-bomber operations on or around 20 October 1944.
  • German fighter interceptions near Cologne, Brühl, Düren, Kerpen, Elsdorf, or Grevenbroich.
  • JG 6, JG 26, or other FW-190 units operating in that area.
  • German victory claims on 20 October 1944.
  • German loss reports from the same engagement.
  • Any references to American P-38s being shot down.
  • Any mention of the combat involving the 367th Fighter Group.

I am particularly trying to identify the German unit—and possibly even the pilot—involved in the combat in which Andrews was lost.

Thank you Andrew A as well and to you too Sir!

I am at the British National Archives at Kew this week and will be going back tomorrow and will request your doc first thing. Funny thing is that puts me here on the 4th of July on the 250th anniversary. They actually have an exhibition downstairs from the reading room (where you can examine and photograph docs) marking the 250th anniversary (complete with a HUGE original oil painting of King George III outside lol) so I figure I will check it out tomorrow on the 4th!
 
I am at the British National Archives at Kew this week. It's open


I am at the British National Archives at Kew this week and will be going back tomorrow and will request your doc first thing. Funny thing is that puts me here on the 4th of July on the 250th anniversary. They actually have an exhibition downstairs from the reading room (where you can examine and photograph docs) marking the 250th anniversary (complete with a HUGE original oil painting of King George III outside lol) so I figure I will check it out tomorrow on the 4th!
Hi ggiumarra,

Sorry, I didn't see your post until now. To save you a bit of time, here are the relevant pages for 20 October 1944 from HW 13/88. They don't provide much on this particular combat, unfortunately.

And also attached is a snip from AIR 22/502, which is a summary of Allied Y-Service Reports, but again, it doesn't provide too much specific information.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
 

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Hi ggiumarra,

Sorry, I didn't see your post until now. To save you a bit of time, here are the relevant pages for 20 October 1944 from HW 13/88. They don't provide much on this particular combat, unfortunately.

And also attached is a snip from AIR 22/502, which is a summary of Allied Y-Service Reports, but again, it doesn't provide too much specific information.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Ok thanks. I actually was doing it for the benefit of habs1976, so now I don't have to (there's always more to see there than I have time to).
 

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