red admiral
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The Bloch MB 150 must win. The prototype wouldn't actually fly.
Worst aircraft of WW2?
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cheddar cheese
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But thats the protoype, production ones did manage to fly...
PRODUCTION Breda 88's wouldnt fly.
PRODUCTION Breda 88's wouldnt fly.
FLYBOYJ
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cheddar cheese said:But thats the protoype, production ones did manage to fly...
PRODUCTION Breda 88's wouldnt fly.
Here ya go CC........
"On 6/16/40, just after Italy declared war on France and her allies, 12 Ba.88's of the 19th Group made bombing and machine gun attacks on Corsica. Three days later, 9 more Ba.88's attacked Corsica again. Analysis of these attacks showed that the Ba.88 had only a limited value. This was driven home when Ba.88s of the 7th Group joined action in Libya against the British. Fitted with sand filters, the engines overheated and could not put out the promised power rating. An attack on Sidi Barani in 9/40 had to be cancelled when the Ba.88s could not make altitude, as the engines could not generate the power necessary to gain sufficient altitude. By mid 11/40, most surviving Ba.88s had been stripped of useable equipment and were left as decoy targets around airfields."
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Bredaba88.html
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cheddar cheese
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Exactly! That Breda 88 in the picture is probably crashing as well, not making an attack 
My analysis on that is this: If it was attacking, it would be in hostile territory. This means that the enemy is likely to have sent up planes to intercept. It would therefore be sensible for the gunner to be at the gun, and not inside. He's probably fannying around to try and get his parachute What if it isnt making an crashing, I hear you say? Well, there are only 2 situations where a Breda 88 dives at that angle.
1) Making an attack.
2) Crashing.
Since I just proved why it isnt making an attack, the 2nd one is logical. If I was flying a Breda 88 at 20,000ft, after several hours of brutal Italian engine acceleration, the last thing you would do is dive. In other words, you wouldnt do that on purpose. ITS CRASHING!
That Breda 88 in the picture is probably crashing as well, not making an attack My analysis on that is this: If it was attacking, it would be in hostile territory. This means that the enemy is likely to have sent up planes to intercept. It would therefore be sensible for the gunner to be at the gun, and not inside. He's probably fannying around to try and get his parachute What if it isnt making an crashing, I hear you say? Well, there are only 2 situations where a Breda 88 dives at that angle.1) Making an attack.
2) Crashing.
Since I just proved why it isnt making an attack, the 2nd one is logical. If I was flying a Breda 88 at 20,000ft, after several hours of brutal Italian engine acceleration, the last thing you would do is dive.
In other words, you wouldnt do that on purpose. ITS CRASHING! Attachments
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cheddar cheese
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I know what I will do
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cheddar cheese
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pbfoot
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from wht i've read hear the breda 88 sort of wins but my heart still goes to the defiant and if were gonna go to a/c that never did anything like the botha my vote would go to that great canadian a/c known as the Canadian Vickers (Northrop) Delta http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2689.htm
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I wouldnt consider the Defiant to be honest - If you think its bad, then consider the Blackburn B-25 Roc. It was supposed to intercept bombers....except it wasnt as fast as the German bombers I still dont think its Breda 88 bad, because it could fly, but still pretty poor.
Fighter developed from 136 aircrafts Skua, armed with a four-gun turret. This shipboard equivalent to the Defiant suffered not only from a bad tactical concept but also from having ridiculous performance for a fighter. After a few months it was relegated to training duties. The Roc could be equipped with floats, but only three ever were.
Primary function Fighter
Power plant One 9cylinder Bristol Perseus XII radial engine
Thrust 905 HP 675 kW
Wingspan 46 ft 14.02 m
Length 35 ft 10.67 m
Height 12.4 ft 3.79 m
Wingarea 310 sq ft 28.8 sq m
Weight empty 5,018 lb 2,276 kg
max. 8,800 lb 3,992 kg
Speed 196 mph 315 km/h
Ceiling 17,720 ft 5,400 m
Range 800 mi 1,287 km
Armament 4x 7.7mm machine gun; 110 kg bombs
Crew Two
First flight 23.12.1938
Date deployed April 1939
Number built 136
http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/skua/skua_en.htm
I still dont think its Breda 88 bad, because it could fly, but still pretty poor. Fighter developed from 136 aircrafts Skua, armed with a four-gun turret. This shipboard equivalent to the Defiant suffered not only from a bad tactical concept but also from having ridiculous performance for a fighter. After a few months it was relegated to training duties. The Roc could be equipped with floats, but only three ever were.
Primary function Fighter
Power plant One 9cylinder Bristol Perseus XII radial engine
Thrust 905 HP 675 kW
Wingspan 46 ft 14.02 m
Length 35 ft 10.67 m
Height 12.4 ft 3.79 m
Wingarea 310 sq ft 28.8 sq m
Weight empty 5,018 lb 2,276 kg
max. 8,800 lb 3,992 kg
Speed 196 mph 315 km/h
Ceiling 17,720 ft 5,400 m
Range 800 mi 1,287 km
Armament 4x 7.7mm machine gun; 110 kg bombs
Crew Two
First flight 23.12.1938
Date deployed April 1939
Number built 136
http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/skua/skua_en.htm
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no there's no way the defiant was the worst, besides it's not the defiant's fault, the whole idea of turret fighters is flawed.......
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cheddar cheese
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With more power and some fixed forward firing guns it might have worked.
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Minor field mods then.
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Re the Defiant it should have been possible to make a decent GA aircraft, after all it did go 300mph with a heavy turret and an early Merlin.
Take the turret out put in a rear gunner, couple of 20mm in the wings and you should be able to have a decent bombload. May not be the greatest GA in the world but a lot better than nothiing which is what we had GA wise at the time.
Said before but relavent here
Take the turret out put in a rear gunner, couple of 20mm in the wings and you should be able to have a decent bombload. May not be the greatest GA in the world but a lot better than nothiing which is what we had GA wise at the time.
Said before but relavent here
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well at the time we didn't need ground attack, unless it could penetrate into france from england, we have no use for it!! what needed at this time was fighters!! for every ground attack defiant, that's one less fighter to take on the luftwaffe...........
